weezer:
I applaud you; your registered on WarCry just to say all that.

Opinion noted. Thanks for reading. ;-)

/bow

Np. Even thou I have an account for many years, but cannot remember the pw.

Inconsiderable:

weezer:
I applaud you; your registered on WarCry just to say all that.

Opinion noted. Thanks for reading. ;-)

/bow

Np. Even thou I have an account for many years, but cannot remember the pw.

PM one of the mods about it; they should be able to send it out or a new one to you.

And I do not remember the email, which is the main problem when it is about pw recovery.

Wow, good job bashing a game you get Developer Journals from Warcry. I'll keep coming back to the site to read those journals but you're retarded if you think you as a company gained anything by bashing a game with a very dedicated fan base.

Also, it's evident that weezer/teedle is the same person as weezer from the DFO forums, I don't know why you keep denying it.

Trikk:
Also, it's evident that weezer/teedle is the same person as weezer from the DFO forums, I don't know why you keep denying it.

Maybe because if he says he is he loses even more credibility? I mean it's almost already below 0.

I really tryed to read your acticle seriously, but after raiding the travelling part... Well just get a clue about how Darkfall "will work"(atleast the feature we know of at this moment) then talk shit about it if you wish, but get a clue first.

Thanks for the pub on the aoc fanbase tought, if they read more about Df they will just see that article was biased, badly.

Trikk:
Also, it's evident that weezer/teedle is the same person as weezer from the DFO forums, I don't know why you keep denying it.

Please, explain to me how it's so "evident". Really, I'm curious.

Haha what a poorly written rant

Especially the part about the world taking 8 hours to cross, how you could possibly explain that as a bad thing is above me!! I mean seriously how dumb can you be! That the world is big does by no means mean you have to cross it entirely to do something..

Lame of warcy to let them post uneducated rants like this on their pages, If i go make a 4 page slander rant on how crappy Age of Conan is will you post it too? I mean we can all whine 4 pages a long about small points we dislike so why shouldnt we? If this guy is allowed too.....

Bleh!
Warcry - Suck for posting this
AOC Fanboy - Suck for writing such a poor rant
AOC - Nice till warhammer or darkfall come out

Nightfreak:
Haha what a poorly written rant

Especially the part about the world taking 8 hours to cross, how you could possibly explain that as a bad thing is above me!! I mean seriously how dumb can you be! That the world is big does by no means mean you have to cross it entirely to do something..

Lame of warcy to let them post uneducated rants like this on their pages, If i go make a 4 page slander rant on how crappy Age of Conan is will you post it too? I mean we can all whine 4 pages a long about small points we dislike so why shouldnt we? If this guy is allowed too.....

Bleh!
Warcry - Suck for posting this
AOC Fanboy - Suck for writing such a poor rant
AOC - Nice till warhammer or darkfall come out

You're a few days late, mate; everyone else left their two cents on the matter over the weekend.

Unfortunately there are no prizes for second place.

Thanks for reading. ;-)

Yes Bickering about the time of reply is of the same outstanding quality as your original rant.

Its a shame you dont even want to go into an actual discussion let alone a proper discussion about your slander of darkfall which ironically (apart from a stab here and there to a screenshot or the large size of the world) all comes down to Darkfall not exsisting yet..

Columns usually serve one of three purposes, to entertain, inform or critisize. However most columnist spend more than 5 minutes looking at what they are writing about before they go on their rant. You simply can not have written this on more than a glance at the screenshots and look through tasos latest Dev Journal because there is not 1 new or actual proper point in your entire rant other than it not exsisting yet.

But maybe i should put it on your level: 1 vote from the fail camp

Tnx for reading ;-)

I re-read the 'A' part of your argumentation and, quite frankly, you have gotten it all wrong; the faults you seem to find in the World-size vs gameplay concept are exactly the things most sought after by the DF playerbase; realism, or at least attempted realism that makes strategy, logistics and tactics important.

You know, we should actually thank Weezer.

By writing this, alot of people so far have read the dev journal and liked it, which led to them reading more about Darkfall and liking the game!

So he granted Darkfall a bigger playerbase! Good job!

I totally lost interest when the OP informed us that Darkfall graphics is so bad that game is almost unplayable!! WTF is that? Darkfall graphics might not be Age of Conan polygon counts but its graphic style beats Conans any day. When i look at Darkfall screenies it makes me wanna jump right in, that feeling never occurs when i look at AoC ones. And since we all know AoC gameplay sucks, beta leaks is so much fun sometimes, like only 10% of the outcome of a 1 vs 1 is playerskilled, 80% is instances, no full loot, invisible walls and on and on, i think its safely to say Darkfall will be the winner btw these 2 games.

And again, its just amazing Warcry take Age of Conan part and let a nobody like Weezer talk BS about Darkfall, a game he obviously have no fucking idea about. If he wanna downtalk Darkfall at least get some info about the game itself before he starts his never ended lies.

AragonB@D:
And again, its just amazing Warcry take Age of Conan part and let a nobody like Weezer talk BS about Darkfall, a game he obviously have no fucking idea about. If he wanna downtalk Darkfall at least get some info about the game itself before he starts his never ended lies.

That's the problem, my friend. What exactly does anyone know about 'Darkfall' apart from what Aventurine keep on boasting about? Where's the beef?

weezer:
That's the problem, my friend. What exactly does anyone know about 'Darkfall' apart from what Aventurine keep on boasting about? Where's the beef?

i believe the sort of answers you (and the rest of us) seek will only be available when Beta becomes live; other than that, we DO have the information on some game mechanics of the game but that cannot compete, obviously, with the amount of information AoC has at this point in beta.

Galadourn:
i believe the sort of answers you (and the rest of us) seek will only be available when Beta becomes live; other than that, we DO have the information on some game mechanics of the game but that cannot compete, obviously, with the amount of information AoC has at this point in beta.

Alleleuia! Yes, until Aventurine come out with a working public beta, then any argument is moot, so for Mr. Flambouras to rag-out on any game when there's nothing (or nothing "meaty" anyway) to back-up his own claims, is completely unwise. This, my dear readers, is the premise of the editorial; not a rag-out on 'Darkfall' as you have so blatantly seen it.

weezer:
Alleleuia! Yes, until Aventurine come out with a working public beta, then any argument is moot, so for Mr. Flambouras to rag-out on any game when there's nothing (or nothing "meaty" anyway) to back-up his own claims, is completely unwise. This, my dear readers, is the premise of the editorial; not a rag-out on 'Darkfall' as you have so blatantly seen it.

But one can,likewise, claim that Mr. Flambouras didn't take any swipes at AoC either. His criticism i perceived to be focused more on the current trend of the MMO gender in general, rather than some game in particular.

The irony is that AoC is also, at least in intention (don't know about actual implementation), partly criticizing the current trend of the MMO gender (see auto-attack and character control, etc) and trying to veer away from it.

Judging from my initial (and current) interpretation of Dev. Journal #24, never once did AoC come to my mind while reading it.

Anyway, this whole debate of the past few days has made work time pass quickly, so I guess it served some purpose after all...

Galadourn:
Judging from my initial (and current) interpretation of Dev. Journal #24, never once did AoC come to my mind while reading it.

Really? I suggest reading it again then. Once you've done that, align your re-reading with what you know about 'Age of Conan', and then if you're still not clear on it, do some research on the Funcom-developed game.

weezer:
Really? I suggest reading it again then. Once you've done that, align your re-reading with what you know about 'Age of Conan', and then if you're still not clear on it, do some research on the Funcom-developed game.

Maybe you immediatly classify it as AoC because AoC is all you can see/say.

Guys - A note, please keep the argument to the merits of the original article and try and detach that from the people behind the keyboards.

Also, to be clear, this is article was the opinion of Weezer and while I support his right to publish it, that doesn't necessarily reflect what WarCry as a company thinks.

If anyone here wants to respond to him and can write a well reasoned/written editorial, I'll give it equal prominence.

weezer:
Really? I suggest reading it again then. Once you've done that, align your re-reading with what you know about 'Age of Conan', and then if you're still not clear on it, do some research on the Funcom-developed game.

In all honesty, that is the truth as far as i perceive it. Of course i can find a posteriori points in Tasos's criticism that apply to AoC, but to other games as well;
The M rating, for example, is not unique to AoC (Fury, Rohan: Blood Feud have it also).
Levels, classes and computer-calculated actions? all current games bar a few have them.

That is why I say i do not see how this journal was a direct attack to AoC in particular...

Jonkar:

weezer:
Really? I suggest reading it again then. Once you've done that, align your re-reading with what you know about 'Age of Conan', and then if you're still not clear on it, do some research on the Funcom-developed game.

Maybe you immediatly classify it as AoC because AoC is all you can see/say.

Warhammer: Online. Yeah, I went there. ;-)

Look at all the fanboys crying over the truth... c'mon you guys need to wake up and stop being F'ed over by these people.

The M rating, for example, is not unique to AoC (Fury, Rohan: Blood Feud have it also).

It makes no difference if his comments were about Age of Conan or Warhammer or anything else out there. He was still comparing his game to other games and saying it's so much better without an OUNCE of proof to back any of it up... That's the point.

7 years and a few crappy Alpha videos later and there's still nothing of actual substance from this project..

WAKE UP.. They've been taking everyone for a fast ride on a short bus for the last 7 years.

If anything , the people who still follow this game should be HAPPY this was posted because maybe now they will step up and release some REAL NEWS for a change.. or they won't at which point everyone will know they have nothing to show...

why the CRAP is AoC the ONLY thing in the DARKFALL page?

I COME HERE FOR DARKFALL INFO, STOP SPAMMING US WITH YOUR CAREBEAR CRAP GAME!

Jesus I find it annoying that some darkfall info could be posted and I wouldn't be able to read if before this crap took it off the front page.

Knock it off assclown. Take us off your spam list.

teedle, for all your talk, we all know we will see you in beta, so stfu, and troll from behind the scenes.

in fact, they might even DELAY AGAIN, just to add a race of trolls, lets start a poll to see if we should call them teedles. :P

manaburn:
teedle, for all your talk, we all know we will see you in beta, so stfu, and troll from behind the scenes.

in fact, they might even DELAY AGAIN, just to add a race of trolls, lets start a poll to see if we should call them teedles. :P

lolz! the teedles class
with special spamming abillities!

But yeh let these trolls be, altough its still a shame that Warcry lets a rant with 5 minute worth of studying a subject be posted. Hell if i type in Aoc sucks/crappy aoc beta in Google and flip through my ranting for dummies book, i could have an AOC slander rant in 3 minutes which is apperantly in Warcry's words "Well reasoned/Well written"

a rant with 5 minutes worth of studying a subject be posted.

What is there to study?? There isn't anything to study.. that's the point.. So how can anyone make a thorough study of something that gives nothing to study?

I'll sum up a Darkfall study for you...

1. Game publically announced in 2001
2. Aventurine founded in Oct 2002 and devs moved to Greece.

Fast forward 6 years later and no beta , no release dates , nothing of actual substance. Just some Alpha videos and a scripted trailer showing the most basic stuff possible and some dated screenshots.

^ That's Darkfall in a nutshell.

Any of this sinking in yet?

teedle:

a rant with 5 minutes worth of studying a subject be posted.

What is there to study?? There isn't anything to study.. that's the point..

I'll sum up a Darkfall study for you...

1. Game publically announced in 2001
2. Aventurine founded in Oct 2002 and devs moved to Greece.

Fast forward 6 years later and no beta , no release dates , nothing of actual substance. Just some Alpha videos and dated screenshots.

There's your thorough study.

Anything sinking in yet?

Dated screenshots, yes dated upto March 2008....
Alpha video's hell if you want to call them alpha they already look better and more promising than most mmo's that are out now, so you can only imagine what beta and the finalised product will look like then.

No beta and no release date, yes very true. However they DID publish the lore, the goals and the ideas behind it, including detailed information on the gameplay. This is what you can base your judgement on, and that just sounds damn good! And if the result can live up to it , all the better!

And yes no beta, but would you rather have a crappy ass not nearly finished buggy crap thing like the AOC beta, or for adventurine to bring out the Beta when they are actually ready for it.

Even if it takes 5 more year
you can either judge them on the information which is out now (Which for Teedles and Weezers information consists of way more than a few screens and that one Dev Journal) or on the product when its finished.

So yeh its starting to sink in that some people are just beyond retarded when it comes to actually learning something about a subject before discussing it.

(PS, tell AOC to spend the money on their crappy beta rather than paying you to talk trash about other mmo's)

Dated screenshots, yes dated upto March 2008....

No.. Dated meaning they look like they are from a game from 2002 at best.. The graphics are terribly outdated in this game. The texture resolutions are terrible.. the lighting is terrible.. the color pallette is bad.. the modeling work is bad... the animations are bad.. I can go on but why bother. It's just like talking to a brick wall.

Alpha video's hell if you want to call them alpha they already look better and more promising than most mmo's that are out now

Ya you're right. A video showing a scripted camera flying around some empty buildings and terrain.. and another showing some people swinging their swords at each other looks more promising than any other MMO coming out..

What kind of world do you live in? lol

(PS, tell AOC to spend the money on their crappy beta rather than paying you to talk trash about other mmo's)

I have a better idea. Maybe you should go tell that Tasos guy to stop talking big and hyping up his bullshit and actually show something credible for a change.

I wish I can get a job like that though. Where do I signup for that?

Oh and BTW... let us all know when Darkfall is able to do something credible like this and decides to stop hiding their retarded child behind the curtains..

Funcom, Eidos and GameSpot Reveal Unique Age of Conan PvP weekend
- 15,000 gamers get exclusive Age of Conan access from April 18th to April 20th -

See that's what you can do when you actually have a game to play.

There is no Darkfall Online.. Just empty promises and gullible people.

teedle:

Funcom, Eidos and GameSpot Reveal Unique Age of Conan PvP weekend
- 15,000 gamers get exclusive Age of Conan access from April 18th to April 20th -

See that's what you can do when you actually have a game to play.

Hahahaha.....only problem is, what sort of game do you have to play?

Go over and read some AoC beta leaks: about the ranged combat being screwed;the zones being pathed to death, forcing you take one or two routes only, etc...

Gaming is supposed to be fun. You are not obliged to play a game simply because it's currently the only one out in the market, if it doesn't give you any fun.
I was going to try AoC anyway, but after reading some beta leaks i decided that unless massive beta information proves the major issues have been solved, I'm not throwing any coin Funcom's direction...I'll stick to Eve Online

I never said Age of Conan was perfect. But to try and compare Darkfall to AoC and say it's better is crazy talk.

Better on paper? Maybe..

Better in real life where it actually matters?? No..

To date, Darkfall has not shown anything that could pass for more than an Alpha stage Tech demo. That isn't a slam against them or anyone, that's just the cold hard facts about where Darkfall is.

I didn't know if I should make an account and reply, due to all the accusations in the thread, seemingly, anyone who supports Age of Conan seems to be placed into the category of being the same person, since apparently its impossible for multiple people to enjoy the same game. Odd that each beta has contained more then a single person then.

The only thing I really have to say, is that the thing most people forget when reading the anti-DFO rant is that it was the DFO guys that took a swing at AoC first, you can call coincidence, by one or two points, but in the end, every single point, points to Age of Conan, it is the most similar game in terms of features, and rightfully so for them to attempt to discredit it, since it contains so many of the ideas they are yet to prove their game contains, yes, to get a real opinion, one should wait for a DFO beta that is accessible to the public, but I don't understand how people can follow an idea for 7 years.

I only really got hype for Age of Conan about a year ago, it was the gameplay I saw, not what I was promised, that lead me to want to play it, having played a couple of dozen various MMOs from around the globe, I know where empty promises go, as those mostly apparent in DFO, but good luck to the devs, if they can pull it off, and prove it, I will take some interest in it (when the game looks at least 2003 worthy at least)

Midou-Sama:
I didn't know if I should make an account and reply, due to all the accusations in the thread, seemingly, anyone who supports Age of Conan seems to be placed into the category of being the same person, since apparently its impossible for multiple people to enjoy the same game. Odd that each beta has contained more then a single person then.

The only thing I really have to say, is that the thing most people forget when reading the anti-DFO rant is that it was the DFO guys that took a swing at AoC first, you can call coincidence, by one or two points, but in the end, every single point, points to Age of Conan, it is the most similar game in terms of features, and rightfully so for them to attempt to discredit it, since it contains so many of the ideas they are yet to prove their game contains, yes, to get a real opinion, one should wait for a DFO beta that is accessible to the public, but I don't understand how people can follow an idea for 7 years.

I only really got hype for Age of Conan about a year ago, it was the gameplay I saw, not what I was promised, that lead me to want to play it, having played a couple of dozen various MMOs from around the globe, I know where empty promises go, as those mostly apparent in DFO, but good luck to the devs, if they can pull it off, and prove it, I will take some interest in it (when the game looks at least 2003 worthy at least)

Sorry but you dont know the whole history. Funcom developers was the ones that acted like assholes, invading Darkfall main site as one of the worst trolls there ever. He was banned and later on Funcom had to appologize. AoC developer joined in on downtalking Aventurine on Age of Conan board. Very, very immature. So which ones throw the first punch is easy to understand.

And read Tasos journal, not ones did he mention AoC.

AragonB@D:

Sorry but you dont know the whole history. Funcom developers was the ones that acted like assholes, invading Darkfall main site as one of the worst trolls there ever. He was banned and later on Funcom had to appologize. AoC developer joined in on downtalking Aventurine on Age of Conan board. Very, very immature. So which ones throw the first punch is easy to understand.

And read Tasos journal, not ones did he mention AoC.

Up to the last line, I took your post into a account, yes I am ignorant on the whole issue, and I did not know all that, I did jump the gun a bit, but at the same time, regardless of who "started" it, it was quite clear that the DFO comments seemed, okay, even if they didn't mention AoC, say then, that the comments have nothing to do with Age of Conan, this point of view too, is unlikely. By making general comments, Age of Conan still falls into the description of games they were claiming superiority over, even if this article was talking in general, as to why the DFO comments were wrong, when so little of DFO has actually been seen.

To summarize, even if AoC was not mentioned, even if they didn't specifically mean AoC, it still falls into the pool of games they could have meant during the comment, and they were bashing games that fall into the category of their comments, which would include AoC, so even if indirectly, they attacked it. In the latest Dev Journal they say "Anyone can have a mount in Darkfall, and you don't need to fulfill a special set of conditions, reach a certain level, save gold for months, win a contest, or preorder the game to own one." The last part of it, also seems to take another "indirect" hit at AoC.

I will add something though, I came to the site hoping to read more about a preview of the actual game, then a direct attack at another one, I have no right to say what he chooses to write about, but I did quite like the previous Age of Conan editorial article, and was hoping for something similar, but oh well.

teedle:

Better on paper? Maybe..

Better in real life where it actually matters?? No..

First time you actualy got a real point without over exagerating, congratz.

The swings Funcom made to darkfall were long ago, so why would Tasos "bash" AoC now, when he could of done it 1 years ago right after Athelan post on the AoC board? Why now? I really hope they got something to show and that they can back that up or they just failed badly. I'm hoping for something real like a video tomorow (scheduled update) and not the same bullshit over and over, but well, we'll see. :/

Wooah:
I really hope they got something to show and that they can back that up or they just failed badly. I'm hoping for something real like a video tomorow (scheduled update) and not the same bullshit over and over, but well, we'll see. :/

I'm look forward to exactly the same thing, to be perfectly honest. I certainly do hope Mr. Flambouras and Aventurine can back themselves up with something tangible in the next few weeks to the months following, just for their own sake.