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WarCry Choice  Posts: 185 Joined: 13 Mar 2007 |
Next edition: the sky is lime green! Stay tuned. ;)
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Posts: 31 Joined: 3 Sep 2006 | It's plain as day to see that these guys (whoever they are) really don't care about this project because what they're doing by not releasing any real info (if they could) is just doing way more harm than good but they keep doing it like it's nothing... Just ask yourself this.. If you were building a game and had lots of great stuff to show , would you show it? or would you just sit on it letting everyone put you down? You would show it like anyone else would..
Only two of them are longer than like 30 seconds and one of those longer ones shows no gameplay at all.. they look like nothing more than early Alpha demo's. They've shown maybe 10% of what they claim they have. They have never even shown a simple character creation video. I mean c'mon.
It is in-game footage. It's not a cinematic. They used all the in-game art and the Unreal 3 Engine in that video.. Do you know what normal mapping is? It makes a 4,000 poly model look like a 30 million poly model without adding anymore polys. Unreal 3 Engine can render that quality in real game time easy using normal mapping and advanced shaders. This isn't 1999 game development anymore. |
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Posts: 7 Joined: 10 Apr 2008 |
Ouch, yes, it is not in-game by any means, but just because your used to the 2001 graphics from Darkfall, doesn't mean all games have to look like that, since MO uses the Unreal engine, most likely 3 (wouldn't make any sense otherwise), there are games that look much better then that already in-game in that engine. Edit: lol i didn't see the post above mine, good show. |
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Posts: 269 Joined: 15 Sep 2007 | I give up all you naysayers just need to stfu and stop being so damn DENSE |
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BANNED Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 | That came without warning Didn't relise dense was that bad lol. Just was using as my own opinion didn't mean to hurt any ones feelings, so sorry. >.> |
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WarCry Choice Posts: 343 Joined: 3 Dec 2005 | Well, at least Darkfall is getting publicity here. I remember when the first journals came out and I couldn't get a single person to post on the forums about it :D Morkdaorc |
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BANNED Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 | lol |
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WarCry Editor  Posts: 2582 Joined: 19 Jan 2006 |
Kinda surprised me too. O.o I launched the warning shot across the bow while, simultaneously apparently, someone shot a torpedo at the ship and sunk your account. :P Either way, MorkdaOrc, you're right: Discussion, even arguing, is good publicity. It keeps things in front of people and gives them lots to think about as they ponder how to rip the opposite opinion a new one. :D *********************** Suzie "Kalia" Ford |
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Posts: 30 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 | Forsaken on the DF boards has this quoted: "If there's an interesting development it's that we've narrowed in on a specific beta date and we should be announcing it very soon, right after we make sure that a couple of conditions are met." 09/28/07 That should answer all you newcomers' questions about where Darkfall stands. Now let's hear from Teedle and the other "believers" who say beta is already occurring, then I'll refer you to: "a nearly complete prototype of a product (as software) <released in beta> <the beta version>" A NEARLY complete prototype. As in, something that's ALMOST finished. So why does he say they will have a beta version, when he then says it's feature complete? Duh. It's not. This game and the developers are all so far off from reality it's laughable. Every post they try and defend the game with just sinks them deeper and deeper. They are going to announce beta "very soon" which was half a year ago. When did very soon become half a year? I rest my case. Arguing about the points above just show your complete lack of simple common sense. Begin. |
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BANNED Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 | if you say so chaos. but hey the more you throw your opinions around the more publicity the game gets good job. |
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Posts: 153 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
Its interesting, yet retarded that you want to go on this discussion right after Tasos said they will >> NOT << Give out a date And as you said, arguing against that is just lack of common sense, lets not argue or bring up something the developer did NOT <<<<< mention then shall we.... There really is one born every minute ;) Basically all the nay-sayers points keep coming down to 2 points, the game doesnt exsist and the game has bad graphics. Not really much you can do about that until they play the game and this discussion is purely forgotten (and teedle and weezer stand at the unemployment line) I do think its a shame we didnt get a real game update instead of some text written about why they dont give a release date or to explain his last post again, for the less than smart ones out here :/ Gief game, not pointless discussions |
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Posts: 52 Joined: 27 Jun 2005 |
Darkfall = Bullshit Warcry should seriously think about stopping all coverage of this crap until they actually get to a Beta.. It aint like anything that's said is worth reading anyway. Same old stuff over and over. |
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Posts: 3 Joined: 2 Feb 2006 |
Nice to see you brought up some valid points. All i see is people that demand stuff of a company. Stuff they have no right of demanding. Aka spoiled brats. |
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Posts: 7 Joined: 10 Apr 2008 |
Well, you can look at it one of two ways, from one regard, if you have a never-ending fountain spewing with features, that you bring up over and over, maybe a little bit of proof might mean something, on the other hand, yes, I guess we can take their word for it, kind of like politicians, we know how promises with no grounds end up then, eh? |
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Posts: 30 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
Do you understand English? Your "there is one born every minute comment" made me laugh pretty hard, seeing as you just explained yourself being born incapable of logical understanding. I was merely commenting on the humor of how Tasos says the game is feature complete, and then saying they aren't ready for release, or even to give a beta date. Giving beta now is even funnier though, because apparently their testers can find more bugs than an open beta can - which I would bet my paycheck would never happen. Software has bugs. People find bugs in games that have been out for 5 years. It's just a fact of life. If the game was so feature complete last year, why are we nearly halfway through 2008 and we still don't have anything really solid or factual to support that? 90% of the game's own community will agree that we still know basically nothing about the crafting system...yet the game is feature complete. So, I can grasp the concepts people state about them not having time or wanting to show a half ass looking video, but is it so hard to explain crafting in-depth? Why not provide information, rather than flap "feature complete" and "we are gods among men" developer journals out? I can flex my e-peen on the internet too, but these guys are constantly just dishing out information with no real substance. I could write a 20 chapter book about the greatest game in the world, but making and delivering it properly is a totally different story. Hopefully someone grasps that concept and starts realizing what I've been saying for the last year. Or you could just flame me when I've constantly made nothing but solid points about this game, therein making yourself look like a fanboy.
Neither of those 2 have ever been my points. I believe a partial game exists, which a small development team found themselves in over their heads, and instead of breaking bad news to the world, they've decided to continue the charade for years. I also believe these guys are still wanting to finish this product, but as I said they are in way over their heads. They have business deals to work out with prospective publishers and/or learn themselves how to publish the game and then make it successful - sure it will sell well on it's own even if it never shows up on a shelf, but to make back the investment we've been shown was dropped into it some time ago it will need mainstream attention. Any development team with no goals set, is a development team destined for failure. Think about anything you've ever done in life: if you don't set a goal, do you ever really accomplish much? The human becomes lazy unless they push themselves to goals, we've all been there with something in our lives. Not setting a deadline or goal here only shows the community these guys are amateurs. Bigger and better things have been accomplished by amateurs before sure, but I guarantee people like Google, and other hugely successful companies had some type of goal and/or timeline. Or you could pretend we are at Walgreen's and live in "Perfect". Whatever floats your boat and helps you sleep at night I guess. |
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Posts: 30 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
Why don't we have a right to demand information? Some of us have poured years of interest and website hits into this game. We've also brought prospective customers to their business. The customer is always right. We are customers, whether we are paying yet or not. Sure, some people can tone it down and not be so aggressive when requesting or demanding information, but some of us are frustrated at false promises and hope. |
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Posts: 153 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
Brilliant! Just when i thought this couldnt get any dumber you start defending the fact that you are trying to stab at Tasos for saying its feature complete and it not being ready for release, thats awesome keep digging that hole! But i'll clarify it for you, as i work in the software development to the story goes like this. You design something, You build something, You test something, You reflect on the test results, and then the circle repeats itself until the product is complete and to say "ready to publish". Soooooo hoping this is not to hard for you, A product can easily be feature complete, but not yet fully tested, and thus not ready to publish because bugs will have to removed Ohh and Internal testing at the company which you seem to find so useless and dumb ,is to take out the majority of the flaws/bugs BEFORE, ill state this again... BEFORE, you go to a public beta (This is instead of posting a beta with a million bugs in it). So yeh Im still waiting for your actual solid points you are making about that game, which i can not find. FYI read Gunthers post, he made the only solid points sofar |
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Posts: 153 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
Wrong some more. For you to be a customer, they would have to have a product. Now they do not owe, you , me , or anyone else anything. Dev Journals are a free service for the fans. You can read it all you like but it doesnt give you any right to start throwing unsubstantiated claims to the developer |
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Posts: 42 Joined: 2 Oct 2007 | Well, what atziluth posted and timberwolve brought to us here is a VERY valid point. When I factor in that bit of knowledge, it does seem a bit disheartening. NO, their dedicated servers would not be running on Mac/Linux/FreeBSD OR WINDOWS. But, then again they are not public servers, and ordering specific hardware/building proprietary software, months/years before release, would be a BAD idea, as it would be obsolete by the time the game goes under load at launch. NO, their AI cannot be THAT complex, (unless of course they have dedicated AI combat servers that an npc's control AI switches to for combat, and has a dumber one for non-combat.) Then again, their AI doesn't sound all that complex, it's just more than the average player can handle, so most games don't force players to deal with it. However, the final point about being feature complete, ya, that's BS. That means it's all programmed in, that DOESN'T mean it's tested or revised. So really, the words 'feature complete' mean NOTHING to the beta readiness. |
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Posts: 52 Joined: 27 Jun 2005 |
lol I'll agree with that.. Personally I don't think they'll ever have a product.. |
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Posts: 38 Joined: 9 Jan 2008 |
I think that is a chicken sh*t excuse. Fan sites should stay neutral and by putting on the site, makes Warcry look extremely unprofessional. You guys are far from CNN...get real, what a joke. lol P.S. And Teedle deserves to be band just as bad is yapsniper...spamming the same posts over 5 game sites. |
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Posts: 30 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
I am taking a stab at Tasos, cause all he does is flex his e-peen but never delivers on his word. Maybe I'm the asshole here, but am I truly the only idiot out here seeing such? He said himself, in his own words (very bluntly) that they were narrowing in on a beta date to provide to the community "very soon" in 2007. Where is that? So let me guess, they didn't break their word cause he said "narrowing" in right? And a customer is someone who pays for goods, so you got me there. We are the community though, and like I've said, we will be paying for a service (well, probably not if ya know what I mean). Lastly, please learn some grammar if you're going to try and insult someone's intelligence. Thanks. |
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Posts: 153 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
I agree with Jaggid, why ban Jamisniper and not Teedle? What is that decision based on ? |
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Posts: 153 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 |
Ohh yeh the good old: when i've run out of arguments i'm going to whine about spelling/grammar mistakes to save face. The fact that there we're claims made by the developers and then missed is correct, however to go start whining about that when he explicitly mentions he is not going to post any date at all is just stupid trolling imo. |
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Posts: 52 Joined: 27 Jun 2005 | Darkfall is pipedream. It's nothing more than a hobby project. It's so ridiculously obvious at this point that they don't know what they are doing... or they just lie through their teeth half the time to stave off having to actually release anything... Remember.. one of the dev journals clearly said , Beta and release this year.. Of course it also conveniently said that was their "target" which of course will never happen.. and when it doesn't happen I fully expect people like NightFreak to use it as a lame excuse.. |
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Posts: 153 Joined: 7 Mar 2008 | Wow and i thought you were someone that actually wanted to discuss real points timberwolve, but i guess i was wrong. I have never defended the missing of a claimed date for whatever. Shame you have to resort to trolling instead of discussing; the teedle is strong in that one! |
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Posts: 42 Joined: 2 Oct 2007 | IMO banning Yamisniper was a dead wrong abuse of admin powers. And yes, I say this knowing full well it will likely get ME banned. But I feel it must be said. You want to ban somebody, look at all of teedle's posts. They are full of insults, and devoid of discussion points relevant to the topic. Also, yes, he DOES PM people to rant more, he did it to me too. Oh god, Oh noes, this wasn't in regards to the topic, and I blatantly question the abuse of power by an admin, so I guess Ill see you in IRC guys. |
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That's funny stuff right there. |
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Posts: 162 Joined: 10 Jul 2006 | I have to compare this whole thing to something outside the world of game development. Simply to say it is good advice. "Do not insult someones God." Take this as anology only and not a religous debate. Darkfall = God, as to say to those who believe in Darkfall and all it's promises and potential despite the actual evidence or lack thereof. Those who follow Darkfall religously have faith, (unshakeable faith) in the project and will listen tirelessly any tiny tidbits tossed out by the priests of their god (Tasos). So it is completely pointless to attempt to desuade the faith they have in their god. Poking fun of or claiming it does not exist only fuels the fires of their faith and makes them stronger paladins on the crusade to defend their god. |
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Posts: 36 Joined: 21 May 2007 |
Still rooting for you, but it's a lot like rooting for the Cubs. |
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Posts: 7 Joined: 10 Apr 2008 | The only way Darkfall can be truely free is if the game was free too! :O |
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Posts: 3 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 | Wow, just wow! How can people really be so naive.. The conspiracies are endless here... Darkfall developers are lying to us? Give me a break! There is obviously a very solid game here in the making that is progressing quite well actually. Yes the development has had it's obstacles and it's ups and downs, and yes there have been promises in the past that were not kept in terms of beta.. However, the entire game has been reworked since then. They didn't feel that pushing a game into beta back when they had initially promised was worth pushing a game that wasn't the best. They seem much more confident now and they obviously don't wish to break anymore of our hopes by promising a beta date that they may not be able to uphold. There is a game here. A nearly completed game. Though, as you can imagine, there are a lot of extra features in Darkfall that many other games on the market lack. These features can make testing a little more difficult or take a little longer. While they claim to be doing well on the internal testing at the moment, no one can predict what problems they may run into as they continue their testing or how long it may take to fix these issues. No one can predict the future, and it's because of that that they do not wish to make us false promises. For those of you asking for proof you need to be more realistic. This is a small development team. The truth is that if they were to release just the smallest gameplay video to us tomorrow(if it were any good) the next gen MMO Development crew from whatever other company would pick it up and strip it of any of it's "Great Innovative Features" and place them in their own game which would most likely (with their huge development team) find it's way to the market before Darkfall. Every other MMO company just wishes that one of these Darfall Skeptics or Fanbois would convince the Development team to show them something. They are just waiting for the day that it happens so that they can steal these ideas and make them their own. Does it suck that Darkfall has such a small development team? Well, yes and no really.. Sure the game will take longer to develop/release and things that most larger companies would leak to their fans we as fans of Darkfall will not see until beta, but we will have a more solid game. A smaller dev team ensures us stronger and more organized code and also ensures us steady values. Darkfall is not vaporware.. If it were, it would have packed up and died a long time ago. It is nothing more than a smaller company trying to compete with much larger companies while trying desperately to keep their secrets from falling into the wrong hands. Anyways, that is just my observations and/or opinions on the subject.. Feel free to flame away now. |
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Posts: 42 Joined: 2 Oct 2007 | *flames Arxon Havenloft vigorously* no, that wasn't any fun... I would rather look into your post for a few doubted echoes of my own minds creation. There is alot of conjecture in there, filling in gaps with probable scenarios, or likely motivations for the actions of a small dev team. However, I discounted most of those very thoughts as supposition horribly biased by my hopes. Thank you, it's good to know I'm not the only one making those observations. Irrelevant of how future releases go, I will continue to sort through the masses of 'waste-deep-ness' that these trolls spew. Bloodyleach, a few notes... leech, not leach. Also, about your post, total ripoff of what I posted a few weeks ago, yet you state it as if it were an original thought. If it is, congrats, that is exactly how it stands. Without a viable competitors, Darkfall offers the list of features to continue where Ultima Online and Shadowbane left off. So we cling to it like fire to wood, because if we are separated, our hope just might DIE! (lol, ok a lil' dramatic, but you get the drift). I know, some of you are thinking 'Mortal Online' right now. I am so SICK of idiots prancing around talking about the 3rd gen graphics engine. Watch the video again, note how they move, the torch/hand movement compared to the head, the Dragons response to the players. It is a bunch of models, rendered 3d on a path, no collision detection, NOTHING going on behind the scene. Those lifelike movements are not responses to keyboard input. |
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Posts: 30 Joined: 7 Sep 2007 |
Once again, I made my points, then I merely pointed out that you are trying to give a "holier than thou" and trying to come off as a super intellectual, yet you can barely form a proper sentence. If you fail to comprehend my points, that's not my problem; it's yours. I could sit here and waste my finger muscles explaining shit to you, but thank God that's not my job. |
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i don't normally respond to trolls but this is sheer stupidity...
DF have released 5 videos of actual in-game footage of their game as well as hundred of screenshots and dozens of pretty detailed developer journals. it's clear to any objective observer that DF are not far from release.
MO have released a single 'teaser' cinematic, which is obviously pre-rendered and not an "in-game" video. MO have no screenshots, and virtually no info on gameplay. MO have guessed at a release of summer 2009, ie: a release at least 1.5 years away.