Why would they lie anyway? It would only make us patient a tad longer but they would definitly lose more than they would gain if they can't get the game out. They could come out with something else over and over again but i don't see the point of announcing the game release in 2008 if it's a lie. It'd be the best way to lose another wave of patient follower.

This is just non-sense.

PS: So yea, that's why they sound a bit more credible than you.

Warhammer has been in public Beta for months already and is still many months away from release. That's how you do a proper Beta. Age of Conan was in Beta for months with a 100+ man dev team working on it and is still quite buggy.

Did you ever wonder why those games stay stuck in beta for so long? It's mainly because they enter beta far too early and are stuck in it until the game is ready for release. Darkfall has done almost the exact same thing except kept people out of the beta. Beta has been handled with professionals instead of the public.

There is absolutely NO-WAY that a MMORPG that *supposedly* has the feature set that Darkfall has can only have a Beta for a few weeks. It's simply not practical and nearly impossible.

Quite simply, no. It is entirely possible that a game could enter and leave beta in a matter of a few weeks. Yet again people fail to realize what a beta exists for. 2 major reasons and 1 minor reason.

1) Promotion for the game before it's release.
2) Stress testing for the servers.

and the minor reason which should mainly have been handled before beta was announced:

3) Minor bugs that the devs and professional testers have missed.

Those are the only major reasons why a game should enter beta. Not for some massive bug hunt.

Yep most mmo are entering beta with barly any features in so its actulyl hurting them more than it helps them

1. they are not a publishing company and those mostly handle the promoting.

But yet they "ARE" self publishing because no one wants to publish the game.

You would think that Publishers would be beating down the doors to publish the most feature rich , innovative MMORPG ever made that is already full featured , Beta ready and launching this year. But yet... No publisher. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I WONDER WHY.

. Darkfall has done almost the exact same thing except kept people out of the beta. Beta has been handled with professionals instead of the public.

Please don't try and pass off hearsay as fact. It just makes you look like what you truly are -- a naive fanboy lapping up any bullshit these people feed you. Show me proof they have professional testers. Show me proof they even have a Beta quality product. You can't do that. No one can. Not even the developers themselves it seems.

3. Bring a game out is the best proof of credibillity , not posting vids screenshots or other stuff to keep fans happy

I agree. So where is the Beta to play?? I'am sure it must be ready considering they've stated they have a full featured game and can have a Beta tomorrow if they wanted to.

-- Notice how they gave no month for when Beta would begin??
-- Notice how they gave no month for when launch would be??

If you have a full featured , (we can have Beta tomorrow if we want to) Beta ready game that is launching in 6 months , you know EXACTLY when you would be able to start the Beta without question.

But yet.. More VAGUE words.. no hard dates for a Beta.

Why would they lie anyway? They could come out with something else over and over again but i don't see the point of announcing the game release in 2008 if it's a lie

They announced a launch date in 2003 also. Why would they lie about that?

In September 2005 the signup for the closed clan beta began. But the planned beta of Q4 2005 was cancelled.

^ They announced a Beta in 2005 -- Why would they lie about that??

yamisniper:
heh teedle gets owned everytime. hell hes even being picked apart over at mmorpg.com too

Only in your weak Dyslexic mind.

teedle:

1. they are not a publishing company and those mostly handle the promoting.

But yet they "ARE" self publishing because no one wants to publish the game.

You would think that Publishers would be beating down the doors to publish the most feature rich , innovative MMORPG ever made that is already full featured , Beta ready and launching this year. But yet... No publisher. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I WONDER WHY.

. Darkfall has done almost the exact same thing except kept people out of the beta. Beta has been handled with professionals instead of the public.

Please don't try and pass off hearsay as fact. It just makes you look like what you truly are -- a naive fanboy lapping up any bullshit these people feed you. Show me proof they have professional testers. Show me proof they even have a Beta quality product. You can't do that. No one can. Not even the developers themselves it seems.

3. Bring a game out is the best proof of credibillity , not posting vids screenshots or other stuff to keep fans happy

I agree. So where is the Beta to play?? I'am sure it must be ready considering they've stated they have a full featured game and can have a Beta tomorrow if they wanted to.

-- Notice how they gave no month for when Beta would begin??
-- Notice how they gave no month for when launch would be??

If you have a full featured , (we can have Beta tomorrow if we want to) Beta ready game that is launching in 6 months , you know EXACTLY when you would be able to start the Beta without question.

God teedle just when i think your remarks couldnt get any dumber!

1. Publishers almost NEVER like a new totally innovative concept which hasnt proven its worthyness yet. They like sequals to concepts that did well, not something that still needs to prove itself. Thats a bigger financial risk, and its even not say for sure that they'll self publish so wait for the actually truth and stop pulling this crap out of your ass.

2. Blabla you say im a fanboy , i say you're a pointless troll, whatever, you did not make any point there

3. Dev Journal isnt the official announcement, they mentioned there would be one soon so stop saying they need to post things that will come in the official announcement.

One thing i do give you credit for, you go on to the bitter end, havent heared anything on this from those other pointless trolls like hemu and bloodyleach, but i guess they arent paid to write dumb things down

OHH and all your crap about beta's getting postponed........ WHICH MMO's BETA DIDNT ? :D

All I hear is:

"Mom! Teedle hit me!"
"Nuh-uh. Nightfreak hit me first!"
"Liar!"
"No you are!"
"Booger face!"
"Dummy head!"
*Cue slap fight*

Im glad you see teedles points at their true value then !

I'm glad that it completely flew over your head that I was mocking you as well.

Quit arguing about this crap. We'll know December 31st, 2008 (or perhaps sooner) if Darkfall is released in 2008. Until then, it is all speculation.

MoonPenguin:
I'm glad that it completely flew over your head that I was mocking you as well.

Quit arguing about this crap. We'll know December 31st, 2008 (or perhaps sooner) if Darkfall is released in 2008. Until then, it is all speculation.

Lol arrogant penguin
I know exactly what you ment, but by replying to nonsense the value of the discussion isnt automatically restored. Thats why i wasnt offended or felt the need to respond.

And quit arguing about it comming out?, only way youll achieve that is by banning teedle who will keep saying its vaporware until it lands on his doormat.

lmao i think its an all out fist fight ...

I say we give them dueling pistols and let 'em go at it. :)

Maybe a nice PvP trip to a Guild Wars arena? Or WoW? Let's see who the REAL man is! :D

I prefer Scrabble as opposed to pistols.

LOL...a scrabble contest. :D

Triple word score!

/shrug 1 thing he did officialy announce within 2008 release heh : )

Congrats to Darkfall for making it onto yet another public Vaporware list. The second within a month. Big achievement.

"If Duke Nukem Forever does actually see the light of day--which may surprise its creators as much as anyone else--its role of whipping boy in the world of tech snarkiness might be filled by Darkfall, a massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) in development for almost seven years ... so far."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145351/article.html?tk=nl_wbxrvw

Have fun arguing your delusional points with the entire industry Nightfreak.

teedle:
Congrats to Darkfall for making it onto another public Vaporware list. The second within a month. Big achievement.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,145351/article.html?tk=nl_wbxrvw

Dude Darkfall isnt even on the list :D only 1 little line about 7 years "Shrugs" wow + 2 expansions = 10 years /care

Amusing article tho
Duke only on place 14 wtf wheres the love for teh duke, it surely deserved a higher notation imo, i grew up with that stuff

//edit, also LMAO Atari 2700! man they got some good naming conventions going on there

Ohh and teedle, not once have i seen you make a valid point about darkfall other than it having missed previously set beta dates, now i dont mind discussing your fictional ideas, but it upsets the local penguin population, so lets discuss Atari okay? It's been removed from wallstreet as a brand too, fiction , or reality? Flame on!

This must be part of Aventurines master plan of marketing by word of mouth. Seems to be working out quite well.

Going to be funny when 2008 goes by and there is no Beta and no release.

or

When they release Dark and Light v2.0 Either way it will be entertaining.

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Draccan 5/13/08 6:18:00 AM Report Block #20
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Darkfall disgusts me. Honestly! The game should be removed from mmorpg.com

With launch so close, where is the hype? The videos? The screenshots? What little we have seen is a joke.

And I love the way fanboys say "it is their decision to keep it quiet", "they have a right not to show the game", "they dont need to prove anything", "you dont have to read about it" ...

It is a disgrace for mmorpg.com to support this game. It is a scam, a lie and they have NOTHING to show after 7 years of development and the promises they made of the game would be IMPOSSIBLE without a large company with experience and a lot of dough.

yamisniper:
/shrug 1 thing he did officialy announce within 2008 release heh : )

Dev Journals arent official announcements as far as i know? :O

I guess what I don't get, Teedle, is why you a) read the dev posts; and b) bother commenting on them? If the game 'disgusts' you and you have no use for it, move on.

It's stuff like this that has always mystified me about the human race and internet flame wars. *shrugs*

Kalia is so dreamy.

I'm still waiting for my game of Scrabble.

Maybe people like the Teed-meister are why I like animals better....

Like penguins. *nods*

MoonPenguin:
Kalia is so dreamy.

I'm still waiting for my game of Scrabble.

Maybe people like the Teed-meister are why I like animals better....

Like penguins. *nods*

Ladies and gentlemen i now present you with the act of mating!

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No joke. I remember hearing about Darkfall when I was heavily hooked into Asherons Call back in the summer of 2001. I found the Darkfall website and admit that it did look pretty interesting. I know for a fact that Darkfall was in development back in 2001 and had a FAQ on their website that the release date was "Fall 2003".

What I want to know with this question and thread is why are so many Darkfall fanbois claiming that Darkfall has been in development less then 5 years?? It was originally supposed to RELEASE in the fall of '03... that's not when the development started on Darkfall.

Like I said I KNOW for a fact that the Darkfall site said a planned release date of "fall 2003" back in 2001 and I am pretty sure that they claimed that the development for Darkfall starting sometime in 1999.

..If that's the case, then it's safe to say that this BS vaporware crap has been around for NINE PHUCKING YEARS!

Maybe the 1999 was when they came up with the idea, when the game was "conceived" or something, but this game has been in development for a minimum of 7 years.

Seven years.(or possibly as many as NINE)...Good Grief.

Still no beta. Still no real promising videos or information on the website. Just the same old BS that's been around for years and years and years with the fanbois claiming every damn year that "THIS" is the year of it's release.

This game is total BS. The sooner you fanbois let go of it, the sooner you can get on with your real lives. Just imagine if you had all those years of waiting on Darkfall to release back. Just imagine if you had put some HOPE into something actually real.

- Zaxx

I wonder how many hours you spend per day googling everything about darkfall Teedle and then copy pasting user remarks you found somewhere into every game forum you registered for!

It takes away my doubts about you either being a disgruntled ex-fan or a paid troll, this crusade is jus too much!

Ahh well, hopes it gives you what you want out of life :)

Nightfreak
1. they are not a publishing company and those mostly handle the promoting.

Oh really?

Announcement.
13/12/2002
Razorwax has signed a publishing deal for Darkfall with a Greek publisher. We have moved Razorwax from cold and snowy Oslo, Norway to warm and sunny Athens, Greece. This move was done for various reasons, most importantly to be closer to our publisher, but the climate doesn't hurt either :)

-Claus

Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive!

teedle:

Announcement.
13/12/2002
Razorwax has signed a publishing deal for Darkfall with a Greek publisher. We have moved Razorwax from cold and snowy Oslo, Norway to warm and sunny Athens, Greece. This move was done for various reasons, most importantly to be closer to our publisher, but the climate doesn't hurt either :)

-Claus

Ohh come on dude you know just as well they havent given a final decision on using a publisher to publish darkfall or to self publish. You spend more time reading those dev journals than i do, so dont come quoting info out of 2002 please.

This is getting really old really fast *yawns*

//edit: From March 28, 2008 << Bit more up to date than 2002

Our progress with publishers is steady, unfortunately everyone moves at their own speed. Unless something unexpected happens, we are self-publishing in at least one territory so we've been working on that and using our time constructively to that end. Our publishing capability allows us to go ahead with public beta if this process looks like it might take much longer

Our progress with publishers is steady, unfortunately everyone moves at their own speed.

Translation: No one wants to publish this game so we are self publishing.

so dont come quoting info out of 2002 please

Why not? You said Aventurine is not their publisher so it's not their responsibility to market or promote but yet it clearly states that they are the publisher? So either they lied about Aventurine being a publisher or your just wrong?

Just admit it. Darkfall is a pathetic joke that spans almost a decade.

In fact you can trace the origins of Darkfall back to 1999.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030802185635/http://darkfallonline.com/

COPYRIGHT © RAZORWAX 1999 - 2003

They were working on Darkfall since 1999 considering their Faq back than said they planned on having a 2002 BETA and 2003 Launch.

When is Darkfall entering open beta testing?
We are hoping for a open beta test of Darkfall in Q4 2002. The word "Delay" is very common in the game development industry though, so we can only hope and guess at this stage.

When will Darkfall be released?
We are hoping for a Q1 2003 release of Darkfall. Again, delays happen, but we are working hard to get Darkfall ready for release.

and please don't come along with the typical fanboy "started from scratch in 2003" bullshit.
Because there is absolutely no proof they started anything from scratch. And I'll gurantee you they did not throw out all the old code they worked on just to start over from scratch.

Teedle,

you do realize that the game 'Darkfall', as was planned for release in 2003, is not the same game the current 'Darkfall' is? Check the maps of the two games.

old
http://df.warcry.com/images/view/15200

current
http://df.warcry.com/images/view/20735

They did a complete redesign of the entire landscape and the graphics engine. I wonder if someone from Aventurine could tell us how much intact the original code remained, but my guess is not much, i.e. they redesigned almost everything.

Why they chose to do that we'll never know, and we can only speculate. But the fact remains that Darkfall as we know it now has been in production since 2003. 5 years are considered very normal development time for any MMORPG.

sooooo you think just because there's some graphics of a map with different shapes that that proves they restarted from scratch? get real

2008 launch? I don't think I ever even saw a character creation video of this game. lol

There's no way on Gods (or whoevers) green earth this game launches in 2008.

They did a complete redesign of the entire landscape and the graphics engine.

Than why do the graphics still look like they are from 2002 at best?

Originally Posted by civer

yes mortal ripped off a game that is nothing more than a bunch of vague statements atm...

they'r keeping quiet becouse the more info they give the more people will realise that darkall isn't going to be what they imagined. they want you to pay for the game thats in your head and when they'll have your money then you can see if df is actually any good.

every time i've seen such secrecy the product didn't turn out to be as good as was expected.
Original reply posted by yamisniper
your a fuckign retard everyone will get to try it before they spend a dime so stick it up your ass

Original reply posted by yamisniper
your a fuckign retard everyone will get to try it before they spend a dime so stick it up your ass

Gotta love it

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=55112&page=4

wyldesight:
sooooo you think just because there's some graphics of a map with different shapes that that proves they restarted from scratch? get real

2008 launch? I don't think I ever even saw a character creation video of this game. lol

There's no way on Gods (or whoevers) green earth this game launches in 2008.

They did a complete redesign of the entire landscape and the graphics engine.

Than why do the graphics still look like they are from 2002 at best?

I agree about the landscape redesign not making it a new game lol
but man, graphics from 2002? rofl, these new screenshots got great detail, they look as well as LOTRO imo, maybe not as pretty as AOC but still damn good

//edit: Doublepost (Giev remove button)

these new screenshots got great detail, they look as well as LOTRO imo

Then you're livin in a dream world. Darkfall's graphics are really old and outdated looking with very low resolution textures.

http://images.mmorpg.com/images/screenshots/042008/13424.jpg

http://images.mmorpg.com/images/screenshots/042008/13422.jpg

lotro

http://lorimages.level3.turbine.com/files/98/38/67/89/77.jpg

http://lorimages.level3.turbine.com/files/89/67/24/12/797.jpg

http://lorimages.level3.turbine.com/files/99/10/09/92/1458.jpg

even Asheron's call 2 that came out in 2002 had superior graphics to Darkfall.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/e32002/pc/asheronscall2/ac2_screen013.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2002/pcnews/032902/ac2/ac2_screen006.jpg

lowres ? lol if you look at the oldest ones before the work on the graphics engine

but look at : http://www.darkfallonline.com/gallery/visuals/21_G?full=1

Thats not low ress

And asheronss call doesnt come close to that
Its not hard posting a building with no textures that always looks nice