Atlantica Online: Closed Beta 2 Issues

Atlantica Online's closed beta resumed yesterday with some new systems in place. The stamina system in particular seems to be generating a lot of *ahem* heat on the official AO forums.

Here is the official developer explanation of the stamina system:

The Stamina system is a new addition to Atlantica being tested during the second round of the closed beta. Players are given a Stamina score when they start playing Atlantica each day, and that number declines with each battle players fight against monsters. Having to watch over this score adds another element for players to manage, bringing more depth to the game.

It also encourages players to get more involved in the greater Atlantica Online community. You can slow your Stamina loss by taking part in a Guild and the Town and Nation element of Atlantica. Being a Mentor to other players will help you build points that can deter a flagging Stamina. And being victorious in some player-versus-player battles will even replenish your Stamina.

Here are some other notable elements of the Stamina system:

• Every day at 6 a.m. Pacific Daylight Saving Time (PDT), your Stamina score will reset: to 100, for players at Level 50 and below; to 50, for players at Level 51 and above.
• Fighting a single battle reduces your Stamina by 1.
• When your Stamina runs out, you cannot gain any more Experience Points or Items.
• If fighting among a party, only the player who started the battle will lose Stamina by 1.
• Stamina is not affected during combat with Guilds or in Nation Dungeons, and therefore players can obtain Experience Points and Items even if their Stamina score is 0.
• A victory in a Free League battle will increase your Stamina by 3.
• Boost your score with a Stamina Pill, obtained from the NPC Pointry located in Rome using Mentor Points.

So test your Stamina in Atlantica. Get involved in the larger Atlantica community. Thank you for doing your part!

As said, the stamina system has generated a few thousand posts alone since noon yesterday. Here is a representative comment:

(Forum user "Warchild")Well I tried it and still hate it. The only thing I learned from trying it is that it drains alot faster than I thought it would. If the goal was to get players to pvp,mentor,guild group more you made a huge fricken mistake. Never punish or force mmo players into things they obviously dont want to do, its rediculous. If you want more participation in a particular area the way to do it is by rewarding the player, not by punishing them for not doing it. You arnt our parents or any type of authority figure for that matter.

And that's one of the nicer ones but a cursory visit will yield tons and tons of thread about the same issue. Enough so, in fact, that Atlantica GM01 responded:

Discussion of the Stamina System has gotten out of hand. There are enough threads presenting the full gamut of opinions on this manner, so please refrain from making new threads. We value your opinions, but breaking the rules does not mean we hear you more. One statement each from many people means a great deal more than many posts from one person, so try to avoid spamming please.

For the time being, we are committed to testing this system in Closed Beta 2. We've always held that we will listen to the community, and what we want to hear is your honest opinions after you've given the system a try. We're always trying to improve the game, and in order to do that we need feedback based on the game itself.

Thank you for your input. As we've said in the past, we do value the community, and your voices are being heard.

So, beta testers, what are your thoughts on the new stamina system? Let us know on the forums.

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Hasn't solved a thing. As hard as it was to find people to PvP with before, it's as hard now. And as a bonus I now have limited leveling ability.

As you can imagine, this system has not benefited any player, it simply restricts them.
Here are what the fans of Atlanitca Online think about the system:

http://atlantica.ndoorsgames.com/center/ATforum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1871&posts=29&start=1

http://atlantica.ndoorsgames.com/center/ATforum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1624&posts=288&start=1

and the responses to the post you have shown in the origional post here:

http://atlantica.ndoorsgames.com/center/ATforum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1676&posts=192&start=1

Now the only thing we can do is wait, and wait, for an official response. Lets hope that Ndoors can remedy this problam before a vast majority of their player base takes their busines elsewhere.

*you will have to jump past the first few pages to get the opinions of people AFTER testing the system, the first pages are before the servers went live, you can actually see people change their minds about the stamina system

I am a Beta Tester I was in Cb1 and short lived in cb2..I just couldnt handle it anymore over of Ndoor stupidty of putting a Stamina System in a turn base game..They only allow you 100 Stamina points that means u only battle 100 times..But the draw back u have to wait over a day when the Stamina points return to 100..Meaning..At 6 am in the morning I ran out of Stamina..I wont be able to get anymore to the following day at 6 am..They force u to pvp other players to get Stamina points..I for one not into pvp..Also To be a Mentor u need to be lvl 30 and hope and pray none of the new people leave u..Then u will get points as a Mentor and in turn cash in those points for Stamina points..Not worth it Mentor will be there just for points and careless about the new guy..Whats worst at High lvl above 50..In order todo the bosses quest you have to battle over 50 + battles to get at the boss..The draw back they only allow lvl 50 and up 50 Stamina points..So with out the Stamina points you cant get exps or ITEMS drops from monsters..That will kill your boss drops once u run out of Stamina points the quest has well over 100 things todo before boss..It is a worthless system i have ever seen in the past 30 of playing MMORPG..Dont get me wrong the game was great in Cb1..But i just could not handle the stupidity to what they added into the game in cb2..I just left the cb2 and not to return unless there is changes ...Oh when players started to complain about the Stamina system they only allow 1 post every 5 minutes..Then there was a time yesterday they shut down there forum...My advise to people is this..dont play until the Stamina system is gone..

I totally understand the frustration. I had a very hard time last night for many of the reasons you guys have stated here and others have stated on the official forums. *sighs* Let's hope that they're listening and watching. In fairness, however, we should all be a slight bit more patient. After all, they "system" has only been in place for 24 hours. It's bound to change...isn't it? :P

Kalia:
I totally understand the frustration. I had a very hard time last night for many of the reasons you guys have stated here and others have stated on the official forums. *sighs* Let's hope that they're listening and watching. In fairness, however, we should all be a slight bit more patient. After all, they "system" has only been in place for 24 hours. It's bound to change...isn't it? :P

Well with the Stamina System in place..You need stamina to battle and grind resources, like ashen crystals. Dont even think you can grind those for your mercs with 100 stamina -_-.. More or less they killed the market with the Stamina System..
You cant Beta test with just 100 Stamina points.There are other issues as well but this so called system is the main focal point..There are more players on the Atlantica forum then they are in the game..That must tell you something..haha

Dont get me wrong the game is great..But the Stamnia system needs togo..

I liked one idea someone presented about making stamina potions available. THAT would help a lot.

Kalia:
I totally understand the frustration. I had a very hard time last night for many of the reasons you guys have stated here and others have stated on the official forums. *sighs* Let's hope that they're listening and watching. In fairness, however, we should all be a slight bit more patient. After all, they "system" has only been in place for 24 hours. It's bound to change...isn't it? :P

The problem is that we just dont know. Many f2p mmo games have gone the route of ignoring the community in order to herd a few more people into their cash shop. The community believes that this stamina system was never inteded to enhance any gameplay, but only to enhance their cash shop later on. Nerf the game so we have to use the cash shop to play as normal. Ndoors needs to address their community, yes i know its only been 24hours, but i would call this kind of a business emergency. Just address us, let us know if they plan to remove, modify, or keep the stamina system so we can all stay or go. All this waiting around is just giving the community time to take their fustrations across the internet, wich cannot be helping the image of ndoors or in gaining new players. If ndoors doesnt know what they will do, let us know that you actually hear us.

* closed beta is suppose to be for testing the game right? how are we expected to test a game when after 2hours we can no longer progress?

In every game there allways going to be some type of potions..But what they have is game control..You are only allow todo x-amount of battles then you goto the item mall and pay by real cash for the items u need for the game..There a different between free game and a control game claiming tobe free..Here from what i know is fact when the game is control like it is now..Its not free..Dont get me wrong i have played alot of MMORPGS games and there are many that i have supported and then again there are many i didnt either.They claim free but there are in control into what u can and cannot do.The more i see how these free so called games come out ..The more i am joining sides of pay to play..If this game was pay to play i would a supported it by paying to play..The way i see it as now..There crooks sort of speak by forcing to what u can and cannot do..This is where the item shops comes into play by charging insane pricing..15 dollars amonth dont sound bad to play a game than it is paying 100s of dollars for garbarge in a Item mall shop..

CapitalPain,

I understand and wish the devs would speak up about this one way or the other. People don't want to waste their time on something that's not going to go away that ruins their gaming experience. By the same token, a ray of hope would be welcome.

*growls* I wish I could read minds. :P

Well that's true too, Hooptyman. You have eloquently captured the "pay to play" vs. "microtransaction" model of MMOs these days.

Oh well anyways its a wait and see..And the mean time im checking out afew online games that is pay to play..and nice to meet you Kalia...

*whispers*

Check out Requiem. ;)

Is that game going well? It went off with a very bad start...

It did, from what I understand. I think the key to it all is a good guild...which I've found. Of course, I'm also known as the evil casual gamer so... ;)