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so in the interesting creating content for warcry I decided to post this thing I wrote ageis ago as to my feelings on the charachter nathan drake

its a long one.....

Some time ago I bought my first console. A PS3, because it seemed to have the more interesting exclusives

And you can't look at the list of PS3 exclusives without mentioning the "Uncharted" series. I had only heard little details about it, but that didn't matter because from those details and the cover I already knew everything there was to know about Uncharted

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I wonder if he'll ever say anything "funny"

An Indiana Jones like treasure hunting adventure....pretty much

Though apparently people didn't like Nathan Drake. Now I'm rather forgiving when it comes to game characters, I don't "hate" any unless I'm supposed to hate them and I generally feel neutral otherwise (like Jacob from ME2 or Desmond from Assassins creed)

And since gamers tend to be drama queens (c'mon admit it...at least on the internet) I figured he was just disliked for having a personality...I mean how bad can it be right?

So of course we dive into the first game (literally! hurr hurrr), where we are introduced to Nathan Drake the lovable rouge adventurer and his inevitable girlfriend Elena the intrepid reporter,
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yep....that's Elena.....

Pirates show up, gunfight and jokes ensue...you know the drill .And Sully, Drakes father figure/mentor comes flying on a plane to rescue them

And really at this point I don't know what else to say about the characters, you already know them, Drake is the wise cracking everymen adventurer main character...Sully is an older womanizing guy. Which is great...I mean being a player is something I really like in a person...it makes them likeable...it...does........really

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I'm actually kind of sad I never got to shoot Sully...for real that is

Anyway long story short its drake running around the jungle killing mercenaries and maybe rescuing Elena once or twice and I'm like ok...This isn't so bad; I mean at least he talks and all that....this fun...I..I like Nathan Drake...I really do

"Strangers trying to kill me. Left my map on a burning plane. Elena's missing, most likely dead. That's great. Great start, Nate".

ahaha oh Nathan, you're so hilarious!

so....

fucking....

No...I'm sorry, I can't do it. I was actually making a conscious effort NOT to hate this character...But I did anyway,

Part of the problem is 99% of his dialogue is sarcastic quips and jokes. Drake speaks in a somewhat smart ass "self aware" way... (his catch phrase being "oh crap!" alot of the time) ...you know that works great when you have something to balance it with , but it just gets grating when that's all anyone seems to be saying (and it really is all anyone seems to say...other than his name if you die alot)

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OH MY GOD NNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYTEE!!!!!!!!

Aside from the humor (and oh boy is there HUMOUR!) The drama in the series mainly comes across as Nathan proclaiming "everything I touch turns to shit!" (waaahh) or Elena or someone else telling him "No! Nate!....you have to beleeeeeeeeeeeeiiive! But then maybe it's unfair to criticize the game for not having drama on par with say....Requiem for a Dream

I think the main problem with Drake is they are trying so hard to make us like him, trying so hard to give him a personality to make him a character but somehow he comes across as even more bland and uninteresting..Actually no, I take it back...he comes across as even worse, annoying

why? His dialogue? His stupid face? His hair? I don't know. The man is pure annoying distilled into one creature

It's everything...like the developers are saying to you "see this guy? You love him don't you!..Of course you do! You love him, you think he's awesome! You want to be like him! Look at the face? How can you not love that face?"

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neeeeeeaaarrrrgghhhh

Which makes me hate him more

What about his flaws? Well apparently he's afraid of clowns....

Yeah....

that's...really really not funny or original (seriously I'd be more accepting if that joke wasn't in almost every single fucking story ever...they could at least make it something unique like snakes or Porcelain). Well actually I think his chronic "hero" syndrome is seen as a flaw...

Yeah, that's not a flaw guys, c'mon...give us somthing thats actually a flaw...not "being too hot headed or too heroic" or some stupid....*sigh* never mind

I still can't quite explain what is it I hate about him, and when I think about it, it really is him that's brings down the series for me, I imagine the game if instead of drake it was any of the other characters. I realize I'd probably like the game 100% more...like playing as Elena as she goes off "intrepidly reporting" in far off countries and warzones where she has to fight off hoards of ethnic minorities...

No seriously I would play the shit out of that game

I think it's because Drake is the purest representation of "the everyman" he represents the need to have "mass appeal" by diluting anything remotely different or interesting. His jokes, what's he says when he's in a tough spot, his fear of clowns...he's the Everyman you've seen before...and I realise I fucking hate "the everyman"

And then there's the chart, you're probably familiar with it

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It gets worse....

Because I had this dream once that they took one of my favorite videogames of all time and they-

OH GOD NOOOOO!!!!

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NO NO NO NO NO NO !!!!
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Alright...who is that? That's Cole McGrath from Infamous 2 well that "was" to be Cole McGrath from Infamous 2. See they gave him a makeover....

And the funny part is Cole is on the chart second one up from the bottom left corner....

Thankfully they didn't do that

Here are the original and final designs

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My point is apparently he that isn't "Everyman" enough...you have you be an "ultra" Everyman, you have to be a Nathan drake

Ok, now let's look at a promotional image for Saints row the third

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Who's that? Well I'll tell you who it isn't...its NOT Jhonny Gat (Jhonny Gat being a prominent character in the saints row series)
Now I get a feeling it may have confused some people into thinking it was...due to the hair and the glasses, being recognisable traits of Johnny Gat...but no turns out thats the "default" image for the player

Johnny is on the left there

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Now aside from the heavily gel'd hair and the sun glasses....our player representative is looking rather brown haired....and white....somewhat "everyman" don't you think?

Where as in Saints row 2 our default PC was (much less prominently) displayed as a bald goateed Hispanic (I think) man, who showed up in the "loading stills"...his face wasnt even on the cover

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Ok....ok, I know, its advertising, of course they are going for mass appeal, it doesn't even matter since that's all changeable in game

Moving....what about Dante? I'm talking about the new design on the right

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"WHAT?' you might say? Dante? Look at him! The new Dante looks nothing like Nathan drake!

and yes, new Dante is most definitely on the flamboyant side, but look closer...you change his cloths, and maybe give him a bit of a haircut.....and you've got yourself a skinny "Everyman"

Seriously a character like Dante being a hair cut away from Nathan Drake? I mean what is it about that hairstyle (Drakes quiff) that's so appealing to game designers!?

or what about John Tanner from Driver san fran sisco?

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...ok.....ok he probably doesn't count because he existed before Uncharted or any of these games but still

Am I just grasping at straws here?......probably

but now I'm getting off topic, this is about Drake after all

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even more hateable in child form

I'm not accusing Nathan drake of being behind some conspiracy to turn all videogame protagonists into Nathan Drake lookalikes...nor am I even implying he had any influence in it (though the first uncharted did come out around 2007) no, this trend of the "Everyman" existed before Nathan Drake

I guess my point is the "Everyman" in Video games has gone from a vague description to something surprisingly specific (either Nathan Drakes hairstyle or close cropped/shaved)

Anyway.....

I don't actually hate the Uncharted series...I mean I'm not a huge fan and I was quite happy to pawn them off to the game store for some measly credit after...but I don't hate them, I get the apeal, and I like it when a game treats its charachters and story as important...plus it did make me smile as much as it made me cringe

the problem with the Uncharted series is that there really is nothing there of substance...nothing interesting new or unique...games like Assassins Creed or Deus Ex have something unique to them..Something recognizable in visual style, setting or story

Uncharted has the fact that's it's just like an action B movie you've seen a million times before!!

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More like.....TREASURE PROTECTORS!...amiright?

And yeah, that totally works for some people...I mean Dragon Age: origins is as tolkein esq as you get and Mass effect is rather "standard" in its aproach to space operna-ness but I love them both

So being "clichť" isn't always a bad thing

That said however...in my case it doesn't work

Like the frustratingly annoying relationship between Drake and Elena...as in lets have them break up in-between games to so we can put them back together again! Doing this once in the sequel is...ok...doing it again in the third game!? No, that's stupid

It's like they don't really know what to do with it once they get Drake and Elena together they break them up again, to put them back together...rinse repeat. Why couldn't drake and Elena just be together while they go off adventuring? No really...would that be so bad? It's not like they can't do their "bickering thing" why not?

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Pictured: not Elena
ohhhh...yeah..that

to be fair that seems to be a problem in alot of media..not just videogames..

I will say though that there a few things I am thankful for, that they are vague enough about the whole thing (breaking up/getting together in between games) that it's not as annoying. That Elena and Chloe are actually returning characters and it's not just a revolving door of female characters for Drake to get it on with (unlike Indiana Jones) and while they are "love interests" for Drake they aren't bad characters.....Elena is more or less competent and Chloe is kind of cool aside from being morally dubious at times

she's the promiscuous one who kinda sorta hooks up with drake, whose accent dances between Australian and British and I still can't quote place it (I'm gonna say British) In uncharted 2 she spends her time switching between "sides" (I still don't know what she was doing in Uncharted 2) and not getting along with Elena
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dat jaw...

In conclusion...I guess I hate Nathan Drake because he is boring, uninteresting and obnoxious all at the same time. He is the representation of everything wrong with video game protagonists and perhaps a symptom of the "take no risks" attitude of the AAA...industry.

Yeah... that seems about right... being all smug and plain looking...<.<

Though I don;t agree with the bit about new Dante... he's similar to Nathan Drake, but in a different way... since old Dante was all over the top and silly... the new one is all emotionally unstable emo stereotype, probably trying to appeal to the perceived fanbase that doesn't exist... you know, new Dante is an extension of what the design studio thinks is relatable to the audience...<.<

Spot on, Nathan Drake is just so, SO annoying.

These games are from extremely talented people, how the hell did they fuck up likeability so badly? I'd probably LOVE those games if it weren't for the characters (except Sully, Sully was the only one who wasn't completely annoying).

The game also fails at about half of its attempts at humour, when it does work, it's not even outstandingly funny. The only part that was funny enough that I still remember it is:

"I'm sweating like a hooker in church."
"You brought a hooker to church?"
"Long story."

...or something like that, it's unexpected, funny and develops Sully's character, which is more than can be said for literally every goddamn sentence out of Drake's stupid mouth.

EDIT: As a Devil May Cry outsider, I also don't see why people are so uppity about the new Dante. Isn't DMC supposed to be an origin story of sorts? If so, he's more "Old Dante" than anything else :D

Sacman:

Though I don;t agree with the bit about new Dante... he's similar to Nathan Drake, but in a different way... since old Dante was all over the top and silly... the new one is all emotionally unstable emo stereotype, probably trying to appeal to the perceived fanbase that doesn't exist... you know, new Dante is an extension of what the design studio thinks is relatable to the audience...<.<

well I was going only on apearance alone, so yeah you could be right.

Secret world leader (shhh):

The game also fails at about half of its attempts at humour, when it does work, it's not even outstandingly funny. The only part that was funny enough that I still remember it is:

"I'm sweating like a hooker in church."
"You brought a hooker to church?"
"Long story."

...or something like that, it's unexpected, funny and develops Sully's character, which is more than can be said for literally every goddamn sentence out of Drake's stupid mouth.

may be repeating myself, but I find myself comparing it to mass effect

as I said, the problem with the "humour" is that jokes are 90% of the dialouge,theres nothing for it to bounce off of

where as in Mass Effect certain moments may not be more "funny" but they stand out and are more memorable because the tone is usually more "grounded/serious"

like in Lair of the Shadow broker

Liara:"truck!"
Shepard"I know!"
Liara:"TRUCK!!"
shepard:"I KNOW!!!"

or

Shepard:"what kind of guns does this thing have?"
Liara:"guns!?.....shepard this is a taxi

its funny because we are Hearing shepard say thease things when he/she is not usually a "funny" charachter

there was one moment in Uncharted that did make me geniunly smile

I think its when Sully and drake are running away from the "destruction" (which I think at that point seemed routine for both then and the player) and Sully yells "THIS IS WAY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!"

Vault101:
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I totally see what you mean, but I maintain that Uncharted still has that same ratio of funny/unfunny moments as Mass Effect.

(i'm saying it's not funny)

Secret world leader (shhh):

Vault101:
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I totally see what you mean, but I maintain that Uncharted still has that same ratio of funny/unfunny moments as Mass Effect.

(i'm saying it's not funny)

0_0.......you dare badmouth Mass Effect!?...I

ehhh its almost bedtime and I don't feel like arguing

Secret world leader (shhh):
EDIT: As a Devil May Cry outsider, I also don't see why people are so uppity about the new Dante. Isn't DMC supposed to be an origin story of sorts? If so, he's more "Old Dante" than anything else :D

No, it's a complete reboot of the series, plus it makes some rather big changes. DMC 3 was the prequel and then DmC (the new one) is separate to all of 4 of the previous titles.

OT: Well, I want to say something but...I can't stop looking at this one thing. The spelling! Vault101 what did you do? It seems subtly wrong to read something you wrote without your usual style. :/ I'm conflicted. I mean, I find it not right to read something that is actually correct...

Other than that, I haven't played Uncharted. But I think I'd agree with you.

Holy shit, they tried giving Cole hair and people went fucking bat-shit, it's not like they gave him a new personality or sex change. News flash, people grow hair. I think he looks worse in Infamous 2, looking at that screen-shot.

At least people who are pissed about the new Dante had an argument, changing his style of clothes, color and style of hair, personality and habits (the creator said Dante NEVER smokes, guess what he does in this game) Oh well, it's a reboot, so who cares.

I don't mind Nathan Drake, he's alright, but not great. Having brown hair does not mean bad, like most people seem to think.

TizzytheTormentor:
Holy shit, they tried giving Cole hair and people went fucking bat-shit, it's not like they gave him a new personality or sex change. News flash, people grow hair. I think he looks worse in Infamous 2, looking at that screen-shot.

At least people who are pissed about the new Dante had an argument, changing his style of clothes, color and style of hair, personality and habits (the creator said Dante NEVER smokes, guess what he does in this game) Oh well, it's a reboot, so who cares.

I don't mind Nathan Drake, he's alright, but not great. Having brown hair does not mean bad, like most people seem to think.

I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't even recognize Cole when the E3 trailer for InFamous 2 came out, I thought they had introduced a whole new main character.

Hair on Cole...is just strange...Imagine Agent 47...with Hair. Some characters just don't need hair.

Not to say the freak-out was justified or anythin', I was just personally thrown way off by it.

Lucem712:

TizzytheTormentor:
Holy shit, they tried giving Cole hair and people went fucking bat-shit, it's not like they gave him a new personality or sex change. News flash, people grow hair. I think he looks worse in Infamous 2, looking at that screen-shot.

At least people who are pissed about the new Dante had an argument, changing his style of clothes, color and style of hair, personality and habits (the creator said Dante NEVER smokes, guess what he does in this game) Oh well, it's a reboot, so who cares.

I don't mind Nathan Drake, he's alright, but not great. Having brown hair does not mean bad, like most people seem to think.

I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't even recognize Cole when the E3 trailer for InFamous 2 came out, I thought they had introduced a whole new main character.

Hair on Cole...is just strange...Imagine Agent 47...with Hair. Some characters just don't need hair.

Not to say the freak-out was justified or anythin', I was just personally thrown way off by it.

Nothing wrong with being confused by it (I was confused after seeing the new Dante) But some people wanted to boycott the game for it (no joke dead serious) But it was the second game in the Infamous series, there was no real standard yet. With Hitman, a long running game series, it would be much different I suppose.

It's not like they gave him a mullet, long hair or a pompadour, he just has a short set of brown hair.

Also, doesn't agent 47 wear a mask? (I may be wrong, never played the games)

TizzytheTormentor:

Lucem712:

I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't even recognize Cole when the E3 trailer for InFamous 2 came out, I thought they had introduced a whole new main character.

Hair on Cole...is just strange...Imagine Agent 47...with Hair. Some characters just don't need hair.

Not to say the freak-out was justified or anythin', I was just personally thrown way off by it.

Nothing wrong with being confused by it (I was confused after seeing the new Dante) But some people wanted to boycott the game for it (no joke dead serious) But it was the second game in the Infamous series, there was no real standard yet. With Hitman, a long running game series, it would be much different I suppose.

It's not like they gave him a mullet, long hair or a pompadour, he just has a short set of brown hair.

Also, doesn't agent 47 wear a mask? (I may be wrong, never played the games)

Nope, he doesn't have worry about it cos no one has seen him and live to tell the tale :P
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Now I'm imagining Agent 47 with a mullet. Oh, the horror!

Lucem712:
Nope, he doesn't have worry about it cos no one has seen him and live to tell the tale :P
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Now I'm imagining Agent 47 with a mullet. Oh, the horror!

Billy Ray 'Agent 47' Cyrus: I'll brake your face, your achy breaky face....

TizzytheTormentor:
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I think we have had this argument before..but look closer..its not just the hair he's COMPLETLY different (plus if he did have hair it would be alot lighter..mabye even ginger)

the fact that they took somone who was at least somwhat unique looking (as far as vidya games go) and turned him into nathan drake lookalike wander#2 I understand

but its ok because they didnt do that

DoPo:

OT: Well, I want to say something but...I can't stop looking at this one thing. The spelling! Vault101 what did you do? It seems subtly wrong to read something you wrote without your usual style. :/ I'm conflicted. I mean, I find it not right to read something that is actually correct...

Other than that, I haven't played Uncharted. But I think I'd agree with you.

since it was a blog and not a forum post I had to drag this thing through a spell checker...

...it was very tedious

 
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