Dark Knight Rises Shooting Leaves 12 Dead

| 20 Jul 2012 15:31
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A 24-year-old accused gunman is in custody.

The excitement of a crowd waiting to see the finale to Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy turned to terror last night as a masked gunman tossed a tear gas container and opened fire inside a crowded theater in the city of Aurora in Denver, Colorado.

By the end of his rampage, 10 people had been killed on the spot, and 50 more would be taken to hospitals all around the Denver area to be treated for injuries, including chemical exposure from the tear gas. Two of those injured would later die from their wounds. The casualties included a four-month old baby who was released after being treated.

Police apprehended a local man armed with a rifle, handgun and knife in a nearby parking lot, and have identified the accused gunman as 24-year-old James Holmes, though no motive has yet been identified.

"The shooting apparently went on for some time," said police chief Dan Oates. The gunman attacked in the middle of an action scene in the movie, leaving witnesses confused about whether or not this was a promotional event for the film before fearing for their lives. One witness said that a shooter bearing a riot helmet and bulletproof vest had been "slowly making his way up the stairs and just firing - picking random people."

US President Barack Obama released a statement saying that he and First Lady Michelle Obama were "shocked and saddened by the horrific and tragic shooting. "As we do when confronted by moments of darkness and challenge," he added, "we must now come together as one American family."

The planned red-carpet premiere of Nolan's film in Paris has been understandably canceled at this time. Our thoughts are with the victims of those effected by this tragedy and their families.

Source: BBC

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for those saying people armed in the crowd could of prevented this. lets look at two simple facts.. the first he was wearing body armour and probably would of killed the people shooting him after he was hit.

the second and most important lets say you are armed, in a crowd of people massing for the first showing of a blockbuster movie you can barely see 20 feet in front of you for people, then someone you cant see opens fire into the crowd, you then notice there are a dozen people around you with firearms out.. what happens? you can almost guarenteed more people would be not only killed in the crossfire but also from people panicing and shooting at the first thing they see with a gun

A tragedy. And all those conservative nutcases are running around now claiming that we could only have averted this if only eveyone in the theater had been armed so it could have turned into a massive firefight. Yeah, that woulda saved people. NRA FOR THE WIN!

Im being sarcastic but said nutcases were on the VERY FIRST PAGE of this thread claiming more armed people shoulda been in the theater as opposed to...say...one trained and armed professional at the podium to stop the guy who walked in trying to hide...let me check that other article...a shotgun, a knife, at least two pistols, a gasmask, teargas grenades, and a rifle with a 100-round drum magazine.

Although you know what woulda also helped? Not allowing unstable 20-somethings the purchase 100-round magazines. I grant that that would make it hard for me to purchase a Calico, and those guns are cool, but it might also save lives. Other peoples right to live comes before my desires as a collector of exotic firearms.

On the baby: I agree...who the fuck takes a baby to an action movie premier?! Were they trying to troll the whole theater with its crying?

On killing the SOB that did this: An all you can eat buffet and a quick painless death? No...no im not that nice. I would rather we fork over the tax money to keep him alive on gruel in the worst hellhole prison we can find for him until he dies a broken old man after decades of imprisonment. Death is the easy way out.

Asuka Soryu:
"The casualties included a four-month old baby who was released after being treated"

I know this is tragic and all, but why was the baby so important?

More views on the matter, and in turn more money.

A word of warning: This may offend people; if you think this man should be locked away, please skip the rest of this comment.

This... is it even fair to call it a person? that would assume at least SOME civilized qualities, some of the most basic human qualities that we have come to expect from all the people we meet.

I hope this person has had a ventilation hole forcefully installed in his head, he doesn't even deserve to be on this planet.

"The casualties included a four-month old baby who was released after being treated"

I know this is tragic and all, but why was the baby so important?

Korolev:
Gun control won't work - you've already got the guns on your shores. You've already got the culture of using guns to solve problems. The US fetishizes guns, holding them up as a symbol of power and masculinity. The willingness to use guns, the sheer enjoyment that comes with using guns, the feeling of power that comes with gun ownership is too rooted in US culture to be removed.

I would be in favor of passing US gun laws.... if I had a time machine and I could go back 150 years to do it. Back then, it would have made a difference. Now, however? It makes no difference at all. The guns won't stop coming in, the criminals already use them, the public still wants them.

I'm glad my nation, Australia, has avoided such a mess. Surprisingly, we've remained a democracy even with very low levels of civilian gun ownership! That's right, we haven't had to fight off our government, and almost certainly will never have to. We're not paranoid about "government-takeover", unlike Conservative Americans who believe that anytime the government does something they don't approve of, it's evidence of the death of liberty itself!

But on the shooting - terrible. Terrible tragedy. You've got to wonder why such things happen with more frequency in the US than in Australia... UK... Japan... Ireland... Norway... Belgium... or most of the developed world. That's not to say that we don't have mass shootings in other countries - I'm just saying that they are a whole lot rarer, even when taking into account population differences.

Look, America, I love a lot of things about you. Your constitution is still one of the greatest, if not THE greatest political documents in all of human history. I marvel at your size, your achievements, your science and your universities. I love the sense of optimism that some Americans still retain. I love many aspects of your culture and history and I can safely say that I wish to never see America fall. I wish you success and continued prosperity.

But that doesn't mean I agree with everything you do, nor does it mean I think you're perfect. On gun culture, the US has something very, VERY wrong with it. Why are guns so widely used? Why are your people so angry? Few other developed nations have this problem. Your culture, previously orderly and optimistic, has turned sick and cynical and angry. And it hurts me to see that - to see a nation of people who looked up and forward, a nation which believed in civility and civilization (at least at home if not necessarily abroad) turn into a nation of angry, angry people who hate each other over relatively minor things. A nation full of people who feel so insecure, so pathetic, that they seek refuge in the power that holding a gun can give them. That feeling of raw power, the feeling that their gun makes them a "badass". You can't deny it - even among responsible gun owners, there is a allure of the "power" of a gun. Just see those photos of men and bikini clad women posing with their assault rifles, trying to look as menacing and "badass" as possible. You've created a culture in which people feel powerful with guns, and feel that they have to use them to feel powerful and "respected". That culture is poisoning you, America. Your culture of violence is your worst enemy.

Pretty much this.

I can see how the US is too far gone to ever deal with the gun issue, and I respect their need to exercise their constitutional rights.

As long as they acknowledge that there is a 100% chance of this happening again in the next year or so.

Am I the only one who thinks this motherfucker was influenced by the terrorist who attacked Norway?

Tiamat666:

iblis666:

based on the fact that he booby trapped his apartment with a bunch of as the police call them "sophisticated explosives" and had gas canisters that he tossed into the crowed, the fact he had guns may have saved more lives than he took since either way he was going to take lives.

I mean just think what damage this freak could have done if he decided to start blowing stuff up instead of shooting people we could have had 71 dead and not 12.

That is pure speculation. I stand by my statement that guns are the easiest, most straightforward way to kill people. You don't have to get the ingredients and parts and hide in a basement, tinkering, as with explosives. You also don't have to approach your victim and apply physical force like with knifes. There are alot of mental and physical hurdles to kill somebody in an "old fashioned way". Guns are an invention designed to make killing as easy as possible. The more readily guns are available, the more people will use them. Good and bad guys.

overall you may be right but in this case the guy had the explosives and the know how and probably could have made more

You know... walking into a movie theater with a hunting shot gun and pockets full of 00 buck shot would likely have the same effect on unarmored, unsuspecting targets.

Not sure why anyone thinks it matters that he had an "assault rifle".

I'ts pretty obvious he was inspired by The Dark Knight (my favorite movie mind you) and no one seems to be condemning film. Watch, if it was CoD or something then we'd hear no end to the "evils of videogames" report #345607533.

Glass Joe:
Yo, maybe instead of worrying about guns, we can all try to take care of ourselves and be more loving towards others?

lol, this, very simply.

killers are going to kill, gun or not, so let's stop them from being killers in the first place.
I heard that the mother said she "knew" this was going to happen, apparently knowing that her son was kind of twisted... why the fuck didn't she get him help?

Tanis:

GoddyofAus:

Tanis:
*waits for the 'those people' to start preaching 'this is why we need to ban guns' crap*

It's purile and juvenile responses like this that allowed this, Columbine, Virginia Tech and every other massacre to happen in the first place.

Picture is a LITTLE old, but the point still stands...
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I'll tell you this:
If just two or three people in that theater were armed, and went through the proper training...there would probably be a LOT less bodies.

The only thing strict gun control laws do is disarm LAW FOLLOWING CITIZENS.
IF a crazy person or a scum bag wants a weapon, they-will-find-a-way-to-get-it.

NORMAL PEOPLE DON'T DO CRAP LIKE THIS.
It's childish to think that 'banning all the guns' will stop criminals, or prevent massacres.

now allow me to show you the good guys

http://www.flickr.com/photos/26962760@N00/3453373409/

Saltyk:

You have no disagreement from me. I don't blame Batman, the Joker, or Christopher Nolan for this. I blame the person who pulled the trigger. He is the one responsible for it.

I agree that there is something wrong with the kid, but I don't want to say that he is mentally insane or anything (no more than you have to be to willingly kill a person). By doing so, a lot of people seem to take the responsibility for the person's actions off that person. And then they start saying how we should be taking better care of such people and society has all these responsibilities for them. Suddenly, it's OUR fault that we allowed it to happen. Either because we "failed him", or we don't ban guns, or our "culture is sick and violent", or some other equally inane concept or combination thereof. No, he is responsible, and only him. You can't police everyone and you shouldn't try.

You don't need to be mentally insane to be a sociopath. He just seems to me like a smug person with a god-complex. Ah well, I am not qualified to make a real psychological report of him, so I will trust that to better minds.

There is no need to police everyone, you can't be like Ubisoft with it's DRM, that punishes the majority, because of a few rotten apples with piracy tendencies. It doesn't work in real life.

notimeforlulz:
Umm, maybe you could like, ban guns that are designed exclusively for killing people from the general public. And also maybe stop being dumbasses when it comes to weapons and hunting.

Here's a transcript from this very site's forums from about last year.

OP: "I need a new hunting rifle, should I get an AR15 or an AK47"
Someone Else: "AK"
Me: "Both of those weapons are inappropriate for hunting, the caliber and bullet velocity is higher than you need, and they're less accurate than a bolt action. Those weapons are exclusively for military purposes, and are unsuited to hunting animals anyway."

At this point they begin to flame me. I really need to say this to the entirety of the United States of America. You should not have guns, because retards shouldn't be allowed to have guns. If you can't tell the difference between a good hunting rifle and a combat weapon, you are a retard, and massacres are what happens when you give retards assault rifles. #tag port arthur

thank you for this

Umm, maybe you could like, ban guns that are designed exclusively for killing people from the general public. And also maybe stop being dumbasses when it comes to weapons and hunting.

Here's a transcript from this very site's forums from about last year.

OP: "I need a new hunting rifle, should I get an AR15 or an AK47"
Someone Else: "AK"
Me: "Both of those weapons are inappropriate for hunting, the caliber and bullet velocity is higher than you need, and they're less accurate than a bolt action. Those weapons are exclusively for military purposes, and are unsuited to hunting animals anyway."

At this point they begin to flame me. I really need to say this to the entirety of the United States of America. You should not have guns, because retards shouldn't be allowed to have guns. If you can't tell the difference between a good hunting rifle and a combat weapon, you are a retard, and massacres are what happens when you give retards assault rifles. #tag port arthur

Okay, I wasn't sure if it was or not. I was just using the term I heard the police chief used. So your issue is with him. I don't know that about the AR-15. Thanks

Calbeck:

Alex Crouch:
Actually this is confirmed. He bought the shotgun and two pistols at a Bass Pro Shop.

Sorry, gonna have to ask for a quote on this, because having just checked the latest updates I could find online, there's been no such statement. That said, I would not be surprised if he did buy these three weapons over the counter since they're routinely sold to people of proper age with a clean background --- which he was --- for hunting and personal defense.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/us/colorado-theater-shooting/index.html

that's a live update of new information. Here is a quote:

"A law enforcement source said two of the guns used in the attack were purchased at a Bass Pro Shop in Denver, while the two others were bought at separate Gander Mountain Guns outlets in the area. Investigators also found a drum magazine, capable of carrying 100 rounds of ammunition, which was attached to the AR-15 rifle, two law enforcement officials said."

Haven't heard about the assault rifle, other than it was in fact bought legally. I heard something about Gander Mountain

1) Citing "something you heard" as being "fact"? Link please.

2) Assault rifles are, by definition, full-auto. That's so you can lay down suppressive fire as you assault an enemy position. An AR-15 is semi-auto. That's useful for police SWAT, but doesn't make it an assault rifle.

Okay i wasn't meaning to state it as fact. I was just saying it was "something I had heard." Which it was. I never implied it was fact as i explicitly said, "I'm not sure." Also if you take a look at the above link it does mention two weapons were bought at Gander Mountain. Also, the police chief is the one i heard say "assault rifle". That quote is also in the link above. I don't know a lot about guns, so I just took what the police chief said. Honestly I don't care if it was an "assault rifle" or not. I was just using the general term everyone was referring to it as.

Actually, this is where CNN mentions calling it "assault rifle". Again, I don't really care if it is or not. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/20/theater-shooting-gunman-just-firing-picking-random-people/?iref=allsearch

You know whats the best part about these shootings? The state of web afterwards. Aside from the glorious raving and ranting there's also the lovable sociopaths and their little jests. In the interest of not getting flamed I will refrain from posting them here. (Although I admit giggling for a few of them)

On eeh... Topic? Even if they banned guns from U.S. government could not remove the guns already in circulation in our lifetime. And the "Man" trying to get guns away from people whose motto is "from my cold, dead hands" is just asking for a freaking bloodbath.

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What a heinous incident. Just goes to show that you can never tell who is harboring murderous madness within them. (Shooting up a Batman premiere? FOR WHAT?) If only this could've been foreseen or prevented...

My heart goes out to the victims, I'll never comprehend what drives people to such violence against innocent people.

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