No Xenomorphs in Prometheus 2

| 25 Sep 2014 04:31
The Deacon

Director Ridley Scott has admitted there will be no Xenomorphs in the Prometheus sequel.

Prometheus has quite the reputation with Alien fans, namely in the disappointment with how the movie turned out (compared to what it should have been). Some cite the issues began when the original script started as a direct Alien prequel, instead of the spin-off it eventually became. Director Ridley Scott won't allow the same mistakes to be made with Prometheus 2.

In a recent interview Scott discussed how development is underway for the film, even though he's currently focused on other projects. "Right now, as we speak, it's being written. I've had 15 drafts evolving."

The ending scene of Prometheus (spoiler warning) had what looked like a subspecies of a Xenomorph gruesomely tearing apart its Engineer host. The creature, known as the Deacon, turned out not to be a Xenomorph, but its presence still gave fans hope that Xenomorphs would play a prominent role in future sequels. Scott has now confirmed that will not be the case.

"The beast is done. Cooked..." "I got lucky meeting Giger all those years ago. It's very hard to repeat that. I just happen to be the one who forced it through because they said it's obscene. They didn't want to do it and I said, 'I want to do it, it's fantastic'. But after four, I think it wears out a little bit. There's only so much snarling you can do. I think you've got to come back with something more interesting. And I think we've found the next step. I thought the Engineers were quite a good start."

There is currently no release date set for Prometheus 2, but it's speculated it will be sometime in 2016.

Source: Polygon

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So...
The idea is take the iconic xenomorph species.
Remove all mystique regarding their origin and replace it with convoluted human-centric trite, because god forbid we entertain the idea that the universe might be cold and uncaring and produce beings that have no way to fear or envy or teach us and whose very existence does not revolve around us and our destiny.
Drop the concept once successfully retconned and ruined.

Just so I get it straight, the xenomorprh's aren't an independent race with their own evolutionary history, habitat, home planet etc.
They are the result of protohuman's seeding basic single celled life, waiting till that life evolves to form humans, later visiting the human's they made to leave co-ordinates to the death base from which they plan to destroy all human's with the goo they used to make human's. They then wait even longer until human's develop space flight and come to visit the death base but the goo has gotten out and killed all the protohuman's manning the base and no new one's have arrived to investigate why the supposed threat of humanity has gone un-murdered and none of them have mutated/evolved/dissolved as goo is want to make them do. Long story short a human ends up swallowing some murder goo and he ejaculates into a barren woman and his semen carries goo which makes her fertile and impregnates her with a brand new species called a 'trilobite'. The trilobite gestates within hours without her eating, is born, grows massive within hours without food attacks a protohuman and fertilizes it with an even brand newer alien, called a 'deacon'? A word defined as a member of a clerical order next below a priest. Cause attaching biblical terms to scifi isn't hack. Because this creature is a step below something else? Something iconic and influential? like this movie is to Alien?
Whoah. Mind blown Lindelov. Mind blown.

Ask me if they wanted to make the aliens universe feel a thousand times smaller and million times more contrived, which clearly was the goal in trying to tie everything to humans and earth, why not just have Weyland Yutani have biologically engineered the xenomorphs?

I totally don't understand people who say the Alien franchise died after Aliens. IMO, Alien 3 holds up better than Aliens do these days. I rewatched the entire saga on BluRay some weeks ago with a friend of mine. He's younger than me, and had only seen the first one, which he loved. Aliens, although he enjoyed it, he pointed out how typically 80s it is, and I tend to agree with him. It's filled with a lot of silly one liners and just has that particular tone a lot of action movies from that period had.

I'd argue both Alien and Alien 3 (the extended assembly cut is a flawed masterpiece) holds up way better, and are both pretty much timeless. They both have a very distinctive visual style, and I love how dark the tone of the third one is. Understandbly some people got upset by it, as they expected another gung-ho-happy aliens vs marines movie, plus they killed off Hicks and Newt. However, I think this was a wise decision as it played well with the rest of the story and heavy themes of spirituality and religion. The ending with Ripley throwing herself off the lift was beautifully shot, and the only natural end to the franchise. I mean no offense here, but I also don't think it was a coincidence that Alien 3 was generally much better received critically and by audiences in Europe than in the US.

Xsjadoblayde:
Just watched the film...and really ...i dont understand the hate. It was enjoyable and mysterious as an experience. It kept me interested...the characters werent 'bad' as people like to keep saying, but how can you flesh out that many characters with everything else in the film anyway? I only remember one interesting character from alien...what were people expecting? I mean really?
Bring on the next one, i say! I am willing to be surprised! (positivity!)

You seriously only remember one character from Alien? I assume you mean Ripley... but you know Sigourney Weaver didn't even get top billing in that movie? I just watched it the other day. And also, nothing burst out of her chest.

On the other hand, how many characters can you name from Prometheus off the top of your head? Even after just watching it?

Or, if you truly don't understand the hate directed at the movie, how many characters do you remember from Blade Runner? I've only seen that once and I remember three distinct characters. Gladiator? That's what we're comparing it to, Scott's other stuff. Prometheus was a mess. It only works if you don't think about it. Which is ok, I guess, but not really something you want people saying about your film when you're a famous auteur.

As for the Deacon not being a xenomorph, it's been established in the canon that the xenomorph species is biologically based on whatever it bursts out of. Look at the name: xenomorph. "Xeno" refers to species, "morph" indicates a change. It changes species. Just because it's called a Deacon doesn't mean it's not a xenomorph, any more than saying that scorpion isn't an arachnid.

I'm going to agree with Scott on this one.
The Alien/s have been done enough.
I don't understand the hate for Prometheus.I thought it was really good.

I absolutely adored Prometheus when it came out and certainly experienced quite a bit of dissonance when I heard about the outpouring of negativity towards it. When it comes to science fiction films I am able to willingly suspend my disbelief (you must if you want to become absorbed into the story in any way). While it may be true that some of the characters act irrationally at times I honestly do not see this as a major issue. There are many instances where people fail to act in the most pragmatic and reasonable way. Just by virtue of the fact that these scientists are on an unexplored world and are staggered by the majesty of it all, I can understand why they might be disorganized. That's really beside the point though. The central pull of the film for me were the larger themes the film tackled, the allusions to Lawrence of Arabia and the rich symbolism of the film. I really like it but I also understand why some may dislike the film for subjectivity is an obviously inherent part of the arts. There's a great piece that a man by the name of John Kenneth Muir wrote on the film that reflects many of my own sentiments for anyone who is interested,http://reflectionsonfilmandtelevision.blogspot.ca/2012/06/cult-movie-review-prometheus-2012.html

OT: I'm excited for a Prometheus sequel and think the decision to omit the deacons may aid in further distancing Prometheus from Alien. I think that only tangential connects are necessary in any further Prometheus films as they should remain distinct entities altogether.

Xsjadoblayde:
Just watched the film...and really ...i dont understand the hate. It was enjoyable and mysterious as an experience. It kept me interested...the characters werent 'bad' as people like to keep saying, but how can you flesh out that many characters with everything else in the film anyway?

The characters /were/ bad. Even if you don't have enough screen time to show a character in depth, what you /do/ show - that glimpse into the life of the character - should not be offensively stupid. For example, /anyone/ thinking it's a good idea to pet the dickcobra - let alone biologists who should recognise its body language as being hostile - is offensively stupid.

Just watched the film...and really ...i dont understand the hate. It was enjoyable and mysterious as an experience. It kept me interested...the characters werent 'bad' as people like to keep saying, but how can you flesh out that many characters with everything else in the film anyway? I only remember one interesting character from alien...what were people expecting? I mean really?
Bring on the next one, i say! I am willing to be surprised! (positivity!)

I more surprised to learn that there's going to be a Prometheus 2.

I don't understand, if the audience is tired of xenomorphs, what's the point of even continuing this franchise? It's certainly not for the story, the story in Prometheus was ridiculous. Can't the movie studio just stop using the Alien brand to trick people into watching this pretentious nonsense and make something original?

The lack of Xenomorphs had nothing to do with the reasons behind "Prometheus" not being very good.

Stupid and inconsistent character decisions as well as no apparent enemy motivation. It was alright to have the Xenomorphs being killers because "they're natural superpredators" makes sense but the Engineers tried to kill everyone for no apparent reason... I mean didn't they create us? Anyway... all this stuff has been said many times before.

And really that thing at the end of Prometheus WAS a Xenomorph, if you make it look the same and act the same (from what we've seen anyway) then you can't insist that it's different. Insisting that something is a Toad and not a Frog makes sense since those things actually exist but in a fictional setting you have to actually show some distinction otherwise you're just being pedantic.

Callate:
...And if you got a cast of humans that didn't immediately start acting like horror movie victims when faced with a crisis, that continued acting like competent scientists instead, it would be a good start.
...

That's what I disliked the most about the movie: supposed top scientists acting like the dumbest thing in the known universe.
And why the heroine decided, after all that crap, to go after the Engineers to get her answer?
Couldn't she just... I don't know... go back to earth with a super high-tech space ship, full of starmaps and crypted knowledge? Instead of... let me remember... looking after a specie she knows nothing about, which has probably gone extinct or evolved to an extreme degree for the last billion years at best?

And for what answer?
The robot already gave it at the beginning. They created us because they could. What's the point to look further than that.
No wonder the engineer goes on a rampage after meeting those "finest" humans. Their sheer stupidity must have forced him to kill them all in an act of infinite kindness. Or incredible shame.

If this second movie follows the end of the first, I cannot see why and how they hope to make something better. Shit makes shit, not gold. All we're asking is a good starship troopers with inventive xenomorphs and some lessons about darwinism. Get cameron out of his sub, and put him to work!

I think a lot of people just read the title and not the article with so many people calling the "Deacon" a xenomorph, it isn't, it never was, similar birth method but totally different species.

Semantics I know, but it could mean that while there's no xeno's, there could be more of these "Deacons".

While they are at it why not just scrap the engineers and everything else and just start all over from scratch. Not only was it a halfhearted link to the Alien series but it was just plain terrible standing just on it's own. These were the worst scientists ever in fiction, there are so many plot holes and idiotic moments, and the whole faith aspect was nonsense. Really it didn't do anything right...well maybe look pretty if that's really all you care about.

Chalk me up as another one who doesn't quite get the hating on Prometheus. No, it wasn't exactly a great film; it was extremely average. But it wasn't the crime against humanity that some people seem to paint it as. It was ok, I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone but I wouldn't tell anyone interested not to see it.

Personally I think the film was just very dry. The script was relatively dull and most of the actors seemed to just phone it in. About the only people who actually seemed to try to put in some effort to their roles were Idris Elba and Michael Fassbender. With the former not having that much major screen time and the latter, as someone above put it, basically carrying the film.

Yes H.Rs design is one of the most beautiful creature designs ever and the thing that popped out of the Engineer is a CG mess of blandness but, it's still a Xenomorph.

So, to compare and contrast...

Is it better for Ridley Scott to not understand the reason the original worked, and the latest didn't, and to just keep making new films?

Or is it better for George Lucas to not understand the reason the original worked, and the latest didn't, and to permanently alter the originals?

Ridley Scott is still the lesser of two evils, but my love affair with the Alien series begins and ends with the first two and no more.

Honestly I didn't have too much of a problem with Prometheus except for the fact it felt like not much happened with it.

Grumman:
What Prometheus 2 needs is not "No Xenomorphs", it's "No Damon Lindelof". Also, no Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, J.J. Abrams, Michael Bay or any of those losers.

This. Damon Lindelof's fan service to JJ and JJ's awful "mystery box" (a mystery wrapped in a box clearly labelled "mystery" wrapped in another box that clearly says "mystery" - the point is the boxes, not actually solving the mystery- see Lost) is what killed Prometheus. Lindelof has done this repeatedly throughout his career, and I recommend checking out Kevin Smith's interview with DL on Comic Book Men to find out how he writes. It's very sloppy and self-indulgent. For example, Prometheus starts with what is essentially a scene setting up the Engineers as deity-like figures, sacrificing themselves so Earth can prosper. Then later, when humans wake one up, it tries to kill them because... black goo, or something. I shouldn't need a wiki to figure out what's going on in a supposedly self-contained story. And "the Engineers are a good step?" You mean those things that have no personality or really any distinguishing characteristics? Good golly, Ridley Scott has truly gone the way of classic rock bands. It's just sad at this point.

Who knows, maybe I'm just mad because I watched this thing TWICE to try and figure out what's going on before I realized there isn't really anything there.

And what is Scott talking about when he says there was no xeno in Prometheus? What exactly was that thing at the end? Sure looked like a phallic alien to me, and I'm pretty sure that's what makes Giger so distinctive, yes? It's already been established (and I checked the link up there to the Deacon - another religious reference, wth) that xenomorphs have different characteristics based on what species they come out of. I'm thinking of the Predator-Xeno here. The Deacon is an Engineer-Xeno. So actually, yeah, it is a xenoMORPH. And if it's not gonna be in the next movie, WHY WAS IT IN THE FIRST MOVIE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I guess we're admitting it was shoe-horned in for fans of the original Alien. Cool. I hope it was worth it, because I'm refusing to see Prometheus 2 because of that. I give sci-fi movies a lot of latitude; Prometheus was poorly done, as has been stated here, so I rather had hope for a sequel. Kinda seems to me Scott still doesn't get it.

...So, instead, you're moving forward on the strength of the "Prometheus" brand...? Good luck with that.

To be fair, there were bits and pieces of Prometheus that had promise. And if you got a cast of humans that didn't immediately start acting like horror movie victims when faced with a crisis, that continued acting like competent scientists instead, it would be a good start.

But most of what we saw of the Engineers was as sub-par (and definitely sub-Xenomorph) movie monsters. Frankenstein monsters, to be more specific. The most interesting thing one of them did was to black goo himself at the beginning. Give them some motivation- preferably without spelling it out in bald exposition- and maybe they'll be on to something.

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