European Commission Smacks Intel for One Billion Dollars

| 14 May 2009 13:27
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After engaging in "abuse of the market", Intel is being hit by the European Commission for nearly $1.5 billion.

According to the European Commission, Intel paid off manufacturers to recommend its chips over those of AMD.

AMD complained in 2000, 2003 and 2006; Intel was found to have broken the antitrust ruling between 2002 and 2007.

"Intel has harmed millions of European consumers by deliberately acting to keep competitors out of the market for computer chips for many years," said Neelie Kroes (pictured), the Competition Commissioner. "Such a serious and sustained violation of the EU's antitrust rules cannot be tolerated." Intel has been told to immediately cease this business practice and pay $1.45 billion.

Intel denies the accusation, saying, "We believe the decision is wrong and ignores the reality of a highly competitive microprocessor market. There has been absolutely zero harm to consumers. Intel will appeal."

Kroes joked about this later in the press conference, saying that Intel should change its slogan from "sponsors of tomorrow" to "the sponsor of the European taxpayer."

This new levy dwarfs the meager Microsoft payout of $794 million over a similar antitrust breech, and may not be the end of such woes for Intel. Japan, Korea and even the US are all preparing charges according to David Anderson, a lawyer at Berwin Leighton Paisner.

Source: The BBC

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Pi_Fighter:
Mr. Moulton,
What is your preferred outcome of the above post?

To provide a direct quote:
"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Being verbose proves nothing, aside from the presence of a Thesaurus and rudimentary skills in the use of the English language.

I refuse to believe you exist based on the fact that my own perceptions come with no guarantee of accuracy. As far as I am concerned, you are the creation of my mind misinterpreting small, multi-coloured squares of light that are told what to do by a machine reading a series of ones and zeroes.

I am nothing, if not vague. Your examinations of the context into which you delivered your post appear to have been a multitude of misjudgements.

Now, I must return to my basket and my state of theorised non-existence.

It was a lighthearted reference to your profile information, as context for what we may or may not be able to know or find out about anyone on these forums, which I thought might amuse you. However, it also points out the problem inherent in your request, "if you had sent me a private message requesting I retract it, I would have promptly complied", where we cannot know this, as to us you are just as anonymous, if not more so, than we are to you. From our experience, your response would be a highly unlikely outcome - again, we don't know you.

Regarding your quote, was it intended to support my assertion that you should consider what you say before you say it? It does nothing for your following statement regarding being verbose; you can be as much a fool with a single word as many.

paulgruberman:

Mr. Freud, until your statement above was observed by us, and thus collapsed the waveform into one of a many possible states, you existed only as a set of quantum superpositions defined by the limited details available to those outside the box - i.e. your posts.

To paraphrase: your posts are representative of yourself to the people viewing them. Knowing nothing else, your posts will become who you are in the minds of those that read them. In this case, some see smugness, some see an unfortunate instance of not knowing and considering the difference inherent in thread locations, and some may see both or something else entirely; there's a myriad of possibilities.

In conclusion, remember to consider what you commit to public view before you commit it. The more effort and attention to context you put into your posts, the better the chance of getting the preferred effects out of the possible outcomes.

Mr. Moulton,
What is your preferred outcome of the above post?

To provide a direct quote:
"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
Being verbose proves nothing, aside from the presence of a Thesaurus and rudimentary skills in the use of the English language.

I refuse to believe you exist based on the fact that my own perceptions come with no guarantee of accuracy. As far as I am concerned, you are the creation of my mind misinterpreting small, multi-coloured squares of light that are told what to do by a machine reading a series of ones and zeroes.

I am nothing, if not vague. Your examinations of the context into which you delivered your post appear to have been a multitude of misjudgements.

Now, I must return to my basket and my state of theorised non-existence.

Pi_Fighter:
You are anonymous; all I know about you is that you are the editor of the Escapist's daily content and you get cranky when your blood sugar is low.

You seemed to take personal offence at my comment and if you had sent me a private message requesting I retract it, I would have promptly complied. Sorry if I misinterpreted exactly what your intent was; this was a direct result of not knowing you personally.

Mr. Freud, until your statement above was observed by us, and thus collapsed the waveform into one of a many possible states, you existed only as a set of quantum superpositions defined by the limited details available to those outside the box - i.e. your posts.

To paraphrase: your posts are representative of yourself to the people viewing them. Knowing nothing else, your posts will become who you are in the minds of those that read them. In this case, some see smugness, some see an unfortunate instance of not knowing and considering the difference inherent in thread locations, and some may see both or something else entirely; there's a myriad of possibilities.

In conclusion, remember to consider what you commit to public view before you commit it. The more effort and attention to context you put into your posts, the better the chance of getting the preferred effects out of the possible outcomes.

Is it just me or does this:

The_root_of_all_evil:
Japan, Korea and even the US are all preparing charges according to David Anderson, a lawyer at Berwin Leighton Paisner.

make everyone else a lot more cynical about this:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Intel denies the accusation, saying, "We believe the decision is wrong and ignores the reality of a highly competitive microprocessor market. There has been absolutely zero harm to consumers. Intel will appeal."

Susan Arendt:
I'm hardly anonymous. As for doing things in public, you certainly had no qualms about publicly suggesting that one of our news staff use the search button - why should my comment on that not be public as well?

You are anonymous; all I know about you is that you are the editor of the Escapist's daily content and you get cranky when your blood sugar is low.

You seemed to take personal offence at my comment and if you had sent me a private message requesting I retract it, I would have promptly complied. Sorry if I misinterpreted exactly what your intent was; this was a direct result of not knowing you personally.

Pi_Fighter:

Susan Arendt:
please keep the smugness to yourself.

Trivun:
It looks as if you just seem smug

Sure is great when random strangers claim to know me better than myself while using the internet as a medium for their own anonymity.
Susan, did you really need to do that publicly?

I'm hardly anonymous. As for doing things in public, you certainly had no qualms about publicly suggesting that one of our news staff use the search button - why should my comment on that not be public as well?

Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation floating around in this thread regarding the performance of AMD and Intel CPUs.

Right now, Intel has the highest performing CPUs, no matter which way you slice it. Furthermore, they've had the highest performing desktop(notice, I didn't say server) CPUs and platforms for close to three years now, or whenever the Core 2 Duo and Quad processors were released.

You can't measure performance based only on a CPUs GHz number, it's the processor architecture that really matters.

Pi_Fighter:

Susan Arendt:
please keep the smugness to yourself.

Trivun:
It looks as if you just seem smug

Sure is great when random strangers claim to know me better than myself while using the internet as a medium for their own anonymity.
Susan, did you really need to do that publicly?

It does act as a public warning to you though, and to anyone else, I suppose. Plus, I'm not anonymous on the internet, I'm probably more truthful about myself on the internet than I am to my own flatmates. Plus, Trivun is my actual name, and I'm on Facebook if anyone wants to know about me, so I don't think I really count as 'anonymous'. Except if I'm ever on /b/, unlikely as that is (and yes, I do know Rules 1 and 2, but who really cares?).

The_root_of_all_evil:

Abedeus:
You have the right to choose your own chipset.

That's what the story was all about. Shops were, allegedly, being bribed to ONLY sell you Intel. That's why they got slapped.

I'm not a lawyer, but is there a case to be made against the co-conspirators in these 'secret agreements': Dell, Lenovo, etc.?

Really, if you wanted to stop this the EU should look into prosecuting the hardware OEMs too.

Susan Arendt:
please keep the smugness to yourself.

Trivun:
It looks as if you just seem smug

Sure is great when random strangers claim to know me better than myself while using the internet as a medium for their own anonymity.
Susan, did you really need to do that publicly?

That picture "No, *lazer* beam"

Abedeus:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Abedeus:
You have the right to choose your own chipset.

That's what the story was all about. Shops were, allegedly, being bribed to ONLY sell you Intel. That's why they got slapped.

I see in your article:

to recommend its chips over those of AMD.

Recommending = forcing onto people? Really?

Must be a mistake in the story or something, the concrete tactics included deals that set upper limits (I recall 5% for HP, 0% for Dell) for the number of machines a vendor may sell with AMD chips. Intel's "bonus" to the vendor was a discount (a very steep one IIRC) but in reality any vendor who wants to be able to compete with other vendors needed that discount. Thereby Intel forced vendors to offer fewer AMD-based systems than Intel systems. Since competition is supposed to happen by the merits of the product and not the backroom deals the richer company can make that was a violation of antitrust laws.

mrfft:
Regardless, every computer guru knows, AMD chips tend to be a bit better than Intel chips....silly companies.

Yeah, I got my 3Ghz dual core one for 60 euros, and there are weaker intel processors for the same price.

From what I read on another site, Intel was 'recommending' their product through the use of financial incentives (volume discounts and payouts) and sought to pay companies to delay the release of AMD-chipped laptops and computers.

In other words, douchebag tactics. A free market doesn't work without competition... not that we actually have a free market, but we try.

Abedeus:

oliveira8:

Abedeus:
lol Poland sucks and nothing gets shiped into here

Why did you snip the text into Lol Mac?

Amazon.com ships to Poland so quit whining.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_596184_ways?nodeId=596194

Oh, cool. Good to know that prices are sane (12-15 PLN is pretty standard in Poland for delivery, $3-4 = 9-12 PLN). Then, however, I have 15-26 days for the package to get to Poland. THEN another week or two to get it. Yes, I have waited for my Nintendo DS for two weeks.

Yup, another reason why I don't buy online.

Then move out of the country.

If you think Poland is the target of a massive conspiracy made by Valve to force all Polish people into buying games from Steam...move out of the damn country! Cause thats what people do when they dislike their country.

You made it clear in this thread, that Poland is a shit country to buy video games from any source, just move! You have almost all of Europe open for you. So whats really stoping you?

Get out of Poland go somewhere else. Marry some chick in that country. Get that country citenzenship so you can override your Polish ancestry for ever and be happy, that you can live in a country that has Amazon and low shipping costs!

Holy shit, that woman is ugly.

And what is she pointing at? Is she making quotes with her fingers or something?

oliveira8:

Abedeus:
lol Poland sucks and nothing gets shiped into here

Why did you snip the text into Lol Mac?

Amazon.com ships to Poland so quit whining.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_596184_ways?nodeId=596194

Oh, cool. Good to know that prices are sane (12-15 PLN is pretty standard in Poland for delivery, $3-4 = 9-12 PLN). Then, however, I have 15-26 days for the package to get to Poland. THEN another week or two to get it. Yes, I have waited for my Nintendo DS for two weeks.

Yup, another reason why I don't buy online.

Abedeus:

Also, why they are attacking Intel AND NOT VALVE? Those assholes have been pricing us too high for almost half a year in June. Thank God some developers see this and give us lower prices ($20 for Plants vs Zombies in US, we get it for 10€).

You're kidding, right? You do realize that a company is free to make their prices as they see fit, this isn't antitrust territory.
What is antitrust territory is giving PC manufacturers and large (and by large, I MEAN large) retailers discounts if they don't sell AMD - and, frankly, with 1,5 bn $, Intel got off VERY lightly, it's more or less the minimum penalty the EU could have imposed.

Other than that - SCALE! Nobody cares about Valve up to.

Abedeus:
lol Poland sucks and nothing gets shiped into here

Why did you snip the text into Lol Mac?

Amazon.com ships to Poland so quit whining.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_596184_ways?nodeId=596194

And I bet Ebay ships to Poland too...if you find people willing to ship to Poland...

And shit aparently Valve owns Poland, from you posts it seems like that way.

Yeah they might the best ones...but I would actually like to try some ADM chipsets to overclock and burn, without going to a shop and the only thing selling is Intel. Just cause they might do the best chips, doesnt mean they have to be the only people selling.
P.S: Noticed that Amazon ships to the Vatican too...

The_root_of_all_evil:

Abedeus:

I see in your article:

to recommend its chips over those of AMD.

Recommending = forcing onto people? Really?

Weasel words. You've heard enough politicians speak to recognize them Abedeus. Just like Don Coreleone recommended that Johnny Fontane got a role in The Godfather.
Again, just using that as a metaphor.

Intel:Putting Horse heads on your bead since 1968.

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